Transcript: Barzee calls Mitchell 'great deceiver'
Wanda Barzee began her second day of testimony in Brian David Mitchell's federal kidnapping case Friday.
Barzee, Mitchell's wife, has pleaded guilty to her role in the 2002 abduction of Elizabeth Smart, who was held captive and sexually assaulted for nine months.
The Tribune is providing this transcript of the proceedings via its reporters at the courthouse. It is not an official transcript, but all efforts at accuracy are made.
To read Wanda Barzee's first day of testimony, visit http://tinyurl.com/3xeto7g.
For past coverage of the trial, including the testimony of Elizabeth Smart, visit http://www.sltrib.com/topics/mitchell.
[Around 8:30 a.m. Mitchell started singing "Joy to World" as he sat in the court room, then shifted into "O Come All Ye Faithful."]
Bailiff: All rise.
[Mitchell keeps singing.]
Judge: Defendant is present ... we will get the jury and proceed.
[Mitchell sings "Silent Night" while the jury is preparing to come in. The jury is seated.]
Judge: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen of the jury. Thank you for being here on time. Mr. Mitchell, you have the constitutional right to be present unless you continue to sing. We ask he is taken to a room where he can hear and see us.
[Mitchell sings "Silent Night" as he is taken out.]
Judge: We will proceed as soon as Mr. Mitchell is in the room where he can see and hear and Ms. Barzee is brought in. ... You will resume the stand, Ms. Barzee, and you are still under oath. You may proceed, Mr. Steele.
Steele: Thank you, your honor. Good morning, Ms. Barzee.
Barzee: Good morning.
Steele: You are ... You see a mental psychologist?
Barzee: I was on [Barzee lists several medications], an anti-depressant in the morning and a sleeping pill during the night. I have lately had a problem sleeping at night. Zyprexa, and I take [lists several other medications].
Steele: But you are feeling good this morning?
Steele: When the mic pops, you are too close. You are not being held in prison in Utah. Where are you now?
Barzee: Carswell center in Ft. Worth, Texas.
Steele: You were arrested in March 2003. How soon after did you receive treatment?
Barzee: Well, I was told I had to get mental help and I couldn't see that at the time. And I was told I was incompetent. I was at the hospital for six years and forced to take anti-psychotics. Then after that is when I became competent.
Steele: What other things helped you?
Barzee: When I had a regular visit with my psychologist until Jenny was found, and I worked with her once a week also and I recovered. I was depressed and they gave me anti-depressants. I think it was Lexapro, and I was on that until I was taken to federal prison.
Steele: You talk a lot about this case with Jenny and the therapist to help you get through?
Steele: Do you believe Mr. Mitchell has had mental health problems?
Steele: Do you believe Mr. Mitchell has believed in his religious ideas?
Steele: I will come back to that. We left off yesterday with your journey through the land. We talked about organ recitals. How big an event were these to you?
Barzee: Well I am not sure. I am just trying to be obedient and uh, I realized that um, my inadequacies, but I was told those organ recitals were that they were a foreshadow of what was to come in the season thereof.
Steele: Were you proud of giving those recitals?
Barzee: Yes, I didn't have a college degree, and I saw the lord's power to open up and make that possible.
Steele: I have what hasn't been admitted (inaudible). Once again, what is this copy of, the whole book?
Barzee: It's a copy of when Brian and I journeyed through the land.
Steele: And you wrote the book? What is this page in front of you?
Barzee: It's the music I played at the recital. When we built the handcart at the Santa Cruz Mountains, Brian felt we needed a name change. I took the name of Elladah and he took the name of David.
Steele: Were you trying to trick anyone or hide?
Barzee: No. This was for the Lutheran Church of the Holy Communion.
Steele: And where was that?
Steele: Your program was the same for each of the three (recitals). Who is your favorite composer?
Barzee: Johann Sebastian Bach.
Steele: Were you proud of your performance as a musician?
Steele: In addition to the places you have already named, you also went to Florida and California. And you went to Hawaii. How did that come about? You can't hitchhike to Hawaii.
Barzee: Before we went to Boston, Philadelphia and New York City, that is when your hitchhiking ended and we started taking the train and the bus.
Steele: But how did you get to Hawaii?
Barzee: After the organ recital we were commanded to Fort Myers, Florida, where we spent six weeks for healing and relaxation. From there we got money to take a bus to Los Angeles and California. We stayed in a homeless shelter and our requirement was to go to a social service office. We made it to Hawaii and spent three weeks there.
Steele: What did you do in Hawaii?
Barzee: We camped in a campground. It was within walking distance from Hawaiian temple. There was a missionary there who talked to you.
Steele: How did you get back?
Barzee: By ministering, the money was provided to take the airplane. We were instructed to take $300 and we could only take $100. Brian made a sign that said 'Please help with our needs.' That is what we used for a long time. We we got to Palo Alto ... we had to ask for help.
Steele: What does the phrase (inaudble) mean to you?
Barzee: Brian said the humble followers of Christ would open up and give us their sustenance.
Steele: When did you come back from Hawaii? Would it have been the spring or summer of 1997?
Steele: Where did you live when you came back?
Barzee: Brian's mother provided us a room in her home. We might have stayed with my mother, too, for about three weeks.
Steele: What did you do?
Barzee: I would spend time with Brian at the library. He would minister on the streets and I would practice writing recipes.
Steele: You would practice your calligraphy?
Steele: What was he doing in the library?
Barzee: He didn't come in the library very often.
Steele: Did you reinvolve yourself with the LDS Church?
Steele: At some point did you purchase a tepee?
Steele: How big was this tepee?
Barzee: It was about 19 foot in diameter.
Steele: What did you do with the tepee?
Barzee: Brian's dad is the one who is paying for us. We were told to find a place of refuge and we took it up in the mountain.
Steele: Where in the mountains did you set up a tepee?
Barzee: As high in the mountains as we could get it in a flat surface
and in walking distance to the water.
Steele: Was it in the same area as you were in 2002?
Barzee: We had to locate a higher campground and store the tepee away.
Steele: But it was below that site and nearby, in the canyon. Do you remember how far away that campground was from the other place?
Steele: Do you remember if Brian was working on a manuscript that summer?
Barzee: When we were staying in Irene's home we were doing jumping ... he came up with eight revelations. He called it the Book of Immanuel.
Steele: And you observed him doing this?
Barzee: He'd tell me about the revelation in the morning.
Steele: Were you aware he was getting up at night? Were you aware of what we was doing when he was getting up at night?
Steele: Do you remember setting up a study group?
Barzee: I remember we were at my mother's and he needed to write ... something called Fellowship of Christ or something.
Steele: What do you remember about the "Seven Plus One"?
Barzee: He listed seven books in the Church of Jesus Christ of Later-day Saints that was part of the seven books. The plus one was my music.
Steele: Was there a book by Betty Eadie?
Barzee: Yes. "Embraced by the Light."
Steele: Did he ask something of your mother?
Barzee: Yes, he was having trouble with some kind of name and mother came up with the name for it. I don't think she felt good about it. Brian wanted to hold the meeting at her house; she didn't feel good about it.
Steele: When did you change your dress to robes?
Barzee: Maybe after 9/11.
Steele: On the journey through the land what kind of clothes did you wear?
Barzee: I wore a jumper.
Steele: When did you start traveling in robes?
Barzee: When we went to Miami, we were dressed in robes then.
Steele: The first time you were in Florida on a journey to the land, what city were you near? When were you in Miami?
Barzee: We had been cast out from our families and we went down to Orem and Dr. West put us up in his home. That is where Brian built the covered handwagon.
Steele: Did your write other books?
Barzee: I had other journals. I wrote a journal that was in a blue journal. I don't know what happened to 'em.
Steele: Your honor, I have what is marked as exhibit O. Do you know what that is?
Steele: Describe what you see here.
Barzee: Yes, that is the covered hand wagon we built with Dr. West.
Steele: Is that one of your journals?
Steele: And you wrote that?
Steele: What was the name of that?
Barzee: The ark of the covenant and the writing mission.
Steele: Where were you when you built it?
Barzee: Dr. West's house, on the back porch.
Steele: How long did it take to build?
Barzee: I don't know. We were there for seven months.
Steele: You had a hand in it?
Barzee: I watched him.
Steele: The cover, who made that?
Barzee: We had someone who made a canvas cover for hand wagons.
Steele: Who made that?
Barzee: I don't know.
Steele: First thing I want to ask you, that is an example of your calligraphy?
Steele: You taught yourself to write left-handed?
Steele: I can't even do that right-handed. How long did it take to teach that?
Barzee: I wrote my first organ recital and I would take programs in the mailÂ and rewrite it.
Steele: What were you doing while living at the West's?
Barzee: I would play the piano sometimes and I would watch Brian build the covered hand wagon.
Steele: When you were not doing that, what did you do?
Barzee: I would watch TV and write in my journal.
Steele: When you went in to town, what did you do?
Barzee: He would minister.
Steele: Did there come a time things would change? What was going on?
Barzee: I don't remember the details, but there was problems and Dr. West admired the hand wagon, I can't remember the situation, but we left the West house without taking them.
Steele: Was there a disagreement with Dr. West?
Barzee: Well, West was always trying to get Brian to come back to the academy, but Brian had other things to do.
Steele: Were you confronted when you were there by any of the Wests?
Barzee: I remember I was playing the piano once and I think it was after the covered hand wagon and ... I was was playing the organ and they ended up locking the keyboard on me, and I think their son Ben said "Sorry, you offended me" and I said "I am sorry I offended you." There was something to come up about their children. I don't know what it was.
Steele: Who was living in the home?
Barzee: Karl West and his son, Ben.
Steele: I interrupted ...
Barzee: Karl was, and he would have his son.
Steele: What would you ...
Barzee: He would be interested in my testimony and the things I would do.
Steele: So you ended up leaving and you described leaving in the middle of the night.
Barzee: We left early in the morning in the covered hand wagon.
Steele: Do you remember what day? Does August 15, 1998, ring a bell?
Steele: So three years after your first time you left, you are off on another journey?
Steele: Could we play exhibit F that had been admitted?
(playing Exhibit F)
Steele: Do you recognize that?
Steele: What is being shown?
Barzee: Brian and I pulled the covered wagon.
Steele: Have you ever seen that before?
Steele: Why did you dress that way?
Barzee: Brian said it was to separate ourselves from the world. He said to never speak of it, but it meant spirituality.
Steele: Did you go on a journey with West when you had the wagon?
Barzee: Yes, we went through Utah Valley and took four days to journey across the desert, and we ended bequeathing the wagon to a small town in Idaho.
Steele: What this small town his idea?
Steele: How many days?
Barzee: We pulled it for about three weeks.
Steele: What did you do after that? Did you return to Salt Lake City.
Barzee: Yes, we did. We felt like the lord wanted us to go to Miami, Florida.
Steele: How did you do that?
Barzee: Brian ministered for bus money, and I don't know if his mom gave us money. And I sewed new garments for us.
Steele: How long were you there?
Barzee: We were there for six months. He started dressing like Gandhi with just the loincloth and the piece of yardage around his shoulder and go barefoot into Miami, South Miami Beach, and minister.
Steele: Where you living there?
Barzee: We were staying on an 80-acre space in a wooded area, and that is where we stayed for six months.
Steele: Did you have a special name for the area?
Barzee: Not that I remember.
Steele: What did you do?
Barzee: Stayed at camp sometimes, but also go into Miami with them.
Steele: What was a typical day like? What would you do?
Barzee: We would have our fruit to eat for breakfast and I would go to the library still with Brian sometimes, and uh.
Steele: You said you ate fruit. Did you have a special diet?
Barzee: Not at the time. When we would journey through the land we had a fruit diet for 14 months.
Steele: Why were you doing that?
Barzee: Studying the teachings of Arnold Ehret and wanted to cleanse the inner vessel of our body.
Steele: Did you have religious (meetings) though the week?
Barzee: No. When we were on our journey though the land, Brian would still minister the sacrament to me on Sunday.
Steele: What did that consist of?
Barzee: He would sing a hymn and minister the sacrament to me.
Steele: Was there some kind of disaster that befell you in the woods?
Barzee: Yes, in Miami.
Steele: What happened?
Barzee: It was two and a half weeks before we left. I had a vision that around I don't know when we left ... we were told after we left we were supposed to spend a month in Washington, D.C., and Brian would go into town and minister for the bus fare. I had that vision of seeing the depths of hell, and I was told that I would suffer Satan's power in the minutes, days and hours and months ahead of me. And I didn't know what that meant. I was feeling the next day I should stay at camp and went into town the night before. Miraculously, a wonderful Subway sandwich was provided for me. And I stayed at camp when Brian was in town. I was writing in my journal the next day. And I thought I heard a fire truck turning on the road at the park and tried to look through trees and couldn't see anything. I tried to write again. There was a helicopter that was overhead, and I thought we had been discovered. I went into the tent and heard a crackling sound of burning and went out of the tent and could see how the field was on fire and that alerted me to the danger. And I didn't know what was happening. I prayed to the lord that I could carry the two trunks. I had my journal in the one of the two trunks. I would lift it and had to leave the trunks and turned back and had the flames as high as I was. The woods could have been the first things to burn. The only smoke was in the entrance way, so I prayed to the lord that he would give me strength to walk out without being harmed. I saw news cameras, fire trucks and everyone was there. I wasn't alerted, and there wasn't smoke or anything at the entrance.
Steele: So you got out safely?
Steele: And you returned after the fire was out?
Barzee: Yes. Miraculously, our possessions were preserved. The woman who took me back to the campground gave me $10 and gave me a ride so I could find Brian, and picked me up in a truck and told me that they had got bedding and wanted me to fold it up. Our belonging were stored at the Larry and Penny Campground. I found Brian and he was supposed to see me dressed in a blue tunic, and was it not the nicest tunic we wore to minister. Went back and couldn't get our things out of the Larry and Penny Campground, so we camped outside. He went back to see the damage, and he said there wasn't damage to the campground. We stayed there until we had to leave.
Steele: What did he say that meant?
Barzee: I can't remember.
Steele: What did you think about that nothing was harmed?
Barzee: He came and gave me a blessing that Satan came in [and showed] his fury and I was preserved.
Steele: You talked about priesthood blessings a couple of times. Did he give you one after your dreams about the depths of hell?
Steele: Did that help you?
Barzee: I was told that Satan would seek my distraction and that I had this dome of protection around me as Betty Eadie had around her. That even though I'd experienced Satan's power, I would not be destroyed.
Steele: Did that calm you down?
Steele: Sometimes his blessings weren't so calming?
Steele: But there were times they made you feel better?
Steele: After you went to D.C. you returned home, in the spring of 1999? When did you acquire new names?
Barzee: We were still going by the name of Elladah and David.
Steele: Did you ever go by another name?
Barzee: Yes. On the 7th of November in 2000 in priesthood blessing, Brian told me the keys to the Lord's shoulder had been transferred to him. He called me as a Relief Society president and asked if I would accept the job. I didn't understand. I was supposed to select religious hymns pertaining to Zion coming forth.
Steele: Did you do that? Did you create a book of hymns? You said Relief Society president in a church? Did you give that church a name?
Barzee: Oh yes. I think the name was the Church of Jesus Christ and the Sanctified and the Last Days.
Steele: This was the time you acquired new names? What were the new names?
Barzee: Hephzibah and Emmanuel.
Steele: You would from time to time use other names when confronted by other people?
Barzee: I think I always used the name Hephzibah. I don't remember.
Steele: Where were you staying when you came back, in the spring of 1999?
Barzee: We stayed in the home of Irene Mitchell when we came back from Washington DC. In Miami, we were commanded to make a handhouse.
Steele: Describe this handhouse.
Barzee: It was the height of plywood, I think. I don't know what size that is. It had a storage area in the floor and it was tall and Brian had found a wood-buring stove. It had a chimney on the roof and it had a pitched roof and it was tiled. It was too large and ... (trails off).
Steele: (showing exhibit.) Is that it?
Steele: (Pointing to handhouse). X is a view of the outside of the handhouse. And what is this?
Barzee: That is the inside. There were some beautiful flower curtains on the inside that are missing now.
Steele: Where did you make the handhouse?
Barzee: At Irene Mitchell's house, Brian's mother. We left Brian's mother on Christmas day and was pulling it. We got into a subdivision around Cottonwood Hospital. Pulling a handcart and a covered wagon, going around, we knew how difficult it was and how heavy it was going to be. There was a hill we had to go down and we didn't think we could hold it back. Somehow Brian thought we had to go down the hill. I tripped and fell and was ran over by one of the tires. I was run over by about a half-ton.
Steele: How bad were you hurt? Where did you spend the next couple of days?
Barzee: We spent it on the road. I cried out to the Lord and said "Why has thou forsaken me?" Brian said I needed to get up and walk or the authorities would take the handhouse away from us. He helped me walk to the curb. We spent that night on the road. I was in the handhouse. It was very difficult for me to get in there.
Steele: What did he do that night and the next day?
Barzee: He used lympthology on me. He rubbed my chest and stroked my chest. That is what he did to help me heal.
Steele: Did that help you heal?
Barzee: Yes. I was able to walk again in three days. I was able to stand up and take my first steps. It was very painful.
Steele: Where did you stay that next night?
Barzee: That family down the road gave us breakfast. The first police came and said we didn't have a license to have it on a road. The neighbors were concerned. He found an arrangement to take the handhouse on church property.
Steele: Do you remember what church it was?
Steele: Did you meet anyone at the church?
Barzee: The minister, who gave us permission to park there.
Steele: How long did you stay there?
Barzee: Only a day or two. It was getting close to New Year's Eve, I think. The minister said we had to move cause he was getting complaints from the neighbor. The minister made arrangements for us to go to the homeless shelter in Salt Lake City. He loaded up all our possessions in his car and drove me to the homeless shelter; Brian pulled the handhouse.
Steele: Do you remember where you went after that?
Steele: Did you live with the Wests for sometime again?
Barzee: Oh, yeah.
Steele: How did it go that time?
Barzee: We were dressed in the robes and Dr. West seemed fine with that for awhile. Ben was concerned about our testimony and what had happened to it. Brian said, "You know better than that, how we get revelations." I can't remember exactly what happened. I know Brian used incense in their house once and Dr. West didn't want that to happen again.
Steele: How had your testimony changed?
Barzee: I still believed in the church doctrine. I didn't know what was happening to Brian.
Steele: Was something happening to Brian?
Barzee: We weren't active in the church and I thought everything was going fine.
Steele: You talked about Nov. 7, 2000. Were you at the Wests' home? Where were you?
Barzee: At Irene's.
Steele: That's when you talked about Relief Society president and the hymn book and the names?
Steele: Do you remember Nov. 23, 2000?
Barzee: Yes, I do. I couldn't understand why Brian's brother Tim, who lived in Logan, wouldn't let his children speak to us. I couldn't understand and Irene was gone a lot of the time to take care of her daughter who was dying of cancer in St. George. The family would be upset and Brian and I would go to the tepee. It was the 21st of November when we were going back down the hill. Brian said he had a dream that celestial marriage was going to be restored and he had a dream about a black woman. Thanksgiving was on the 23rd. He took me to Chuck-A-Rama for dinner. I started thinking about it and I got really devastated. I collapsed and cried in his arms.
Steele: Why were you upset?
Barzee: Because he told me celestial marriage was being restored.
Steele: Why were you upset?
Barzee: Uh, because he told me celestial marriage was restored and he gave me a priesthood blessing when we got back to the house and I was being told it was being restored and no matter how hard to bear, I would have to live and suffer eternal consequences.
Steele: You were upset because you had to share him?
Steele: The upset thoughts or fears returned?
Steele: His blessing calmed you?
Steele: What else?
Barzee: I was commanded to take seven wives and sister wives that I have never known and a Mother of Zion and the things I would suffer would be the things the Mother in Zion had suffered.
Steele: What did Mother of Zion mean?
Barzee: I had to be perfect.
Steele: And that worried you?
Steele: And you had been up in the teepee when these things had been going on?
Steele: And the same point it had always been? What happened next with celestial marriage?
Barzee: I was told I would need to live it or suffer eternal consequences. Did I say that already?
Steele. Yeah, then what followed?
Barzee: I would soak in the bathtub and was trying to accept my calling and the law and how hard it was to bear, and Brian said he had a black woman named Kelly and she was eight months pregnant with another man's child but was also a member of the church.
Steele: Did you ever meet Kelly?
Steele: And [what was the first] time you saw Kelly?
Barzee: I went to her apartment with Brian to give my consent that she could be his wife and I thought I was supposed to be present and he came home late one night and said he had already married Kelly to himself and consummated the marriage and I knew nothing about it.
Steele: How did that make you feel?
Barzee: It was hard.
Steele: Did you all live together?
Barzee: We lived with Kelly for one week.
Steele: What happened after that?
Barzee: Kelly wanted Brian all to herself and I would stay in the back room and I saw Brian sitting on her bed with her and how they joined together and Brian didn't want to have anything to do with me, and we left Kelly and went back to Irene's place and Brian would go minister and come home late. And I was given the claim over my substance and Brian said I had the power of Sarah in the Bible and could execute the law over her.
Steele: What Law of Sarah?
Barzee: Well, Sarah gave a wife to Abraham and he became jealous, and Sarah was able to cast Hagar out.
Steele: Did you execute the Law of Sarah?
Barzee: Yes, I did.
Steele: Did he follow that directive from you?
Steele: Did he continue to be with Kelly?
Steele: How long did this go on?
Barzee: Well, when I executed the Law of Sarah with Kelly, I found out she panhandled on the street by the Joseph Smith Memorial Building. Brian had the apartment key and Kelly and he followed me into town and he became angry with me and I talked to Kelly and said I needed to talk to her. She said she did want to do that. I told her she had no claim on Brian. She didn't say anything. If left the key on the ground. She didn't take it from me. Brian was very hateful toward me.
Steele: Did that marriage with Kelly end then?
Steele: When did it end?
Barzee: Well, he followed me to the train stop and was going to take care of Kelly and I was going to walk to Irene's and I was going to pack up and walk out of the house and he came back and had relations with Kelly once or twice.
Steele: When did that happen?
Barzee: I don't remember.
Steele: But it came to an end?
Steele: How did you know?
Barzee: The second time he came home he said he was at Kelly's apartment but nothing happened. I told him that would be his fall if he went back and he stated, boy Satan is very subtle.
Steele: And he never went back after that?
Steele: Obedience meant a lot to you?
Steele: And it became difficult for you? Was it still important to you?
Steele: Did he struggle with that?
Steele: And do you believe that he was truly struggling with that?
Steele: Well, what did you see? You describe the anger, the upset, and coming and goings. And he came back and ... Did that look to be a struggle for him?
Steele: It wasn't a struggle for him to give up Kelly?
Barzee. Oh, yes, it was. He was very angry with me. He told me I would that her little girl would be sealed to me and he always say I would have to love Kelly, too.
Steele: But in the end, he gave up Kelly?
Steele: Do you remember a woman named Julie?
Steele: Did you meet Julie ever?
Barzee: Brian took me to the shoe store and I think he asked if she could meet with us. And I think we went to the park.
Steele: What did you do at the park?
Barzee: He talked to her about being his wife.
Steele: How long were you at the park?
Barzee: I don't remember.
Steele: Was that a short time? Maybe 10 to 15 minutes?
Barzee: She was on her lunch break.
Steele: Maybe filled the lunch break?
Steele: What was the covenant again?
Barzee: About becoming one of Brian's wives.
Steele: Did that ever happen?
Steele: Is there anyone else that he approached during this time period? Winter 2001?
Barzee: Not that I remember.
Steele: In this time period, was there a new revelation about celestial marriage? Winter/spring 2001?
Barzee: I don't remember. Um, there was a, he gave me a uh priesthood blessing because there wasn't anybody to listen to us. To obey the commandment that we were to take young girls between the age of 10 to 14 years old.
Steele: Do you remember anything else that was said at that time during the blessing? About how difficult this might be? What was said about the difficulty?
Barzee: I thought the age frame was 10 to 14. When I told Brian about it ... he said something about 14 years old. He would go downtown to minister and stalk young girls. Try to find out where they lived.
Steele: Where were you living at this time?
Barzee: At Irene's house.
Steele: Was this getting harder? (Brian's behavior around young girls)
Steele: Were there a series of revelations? What was the book of Emmanuel?
Barzee: Yes, he would receive the revelations and he had me write them out.
During the night he would be up writing and the next day he'd tell me what he'd come up with. He had me write them down.
Steele: In your calligraphic hand?
Steele: At some point did you do something with the book?
Barzee: Yes. On the cover of April 6, when it was completed, we handed out eight copies of the book. For that book to come out, there would be consequences through the church to take place. Possibly excommunication.
Steele: So you knew that was coming?
Steele: Who did you deliver the books to?
Barzee: My mother. Dr. West. At Dr. West's house, Brian stood on the porch and called out to Dr. West. Dr. West came to the door and Karl West was standing next to him and he's the one who walked out to the sidewalk and took the book from Brian's hand.
Steele: Were more things said from the sidewalk?
Barzee: I don't remember.
Steele: Was this a happy exchange?
Barzee: I don't remember thinking so.
Steele: Where else did you deliver it?
Barzee: I can't remember all the people, but I think there was one delivered to Tom and Lisa, Brian's sister and her husband.
Steele: Was it all family besides Dr. West?
Barzee: I think so.
Steele: Were there any more unhappy incidents surrounding delivering the book?
Barzee: I don't think so.
Steele: Did anybody give you any feedback about the book?
Steele: What do you remember about the core of the revelations in the book?
Barzee: The statement was that the society we were supposed to form was in there. I think it referred to each of the seven diamonds plus one and it was listed in the statement. One revelation was about lymphology. Another one was about my mission and Brian's mission.
Steele: What was your mission?
Barzee: Being called as a mother of Zion. I had sought my calling in election in 1995. That was in there that I would be sealed up into the church of the firstborn. That I would see the nail prints of the savior. That I would play the music.
Steele: Play the music when and where?
Barzee: In the season thereof, where the lord would gather his people.
Steele: So the end times?
Steele: What do you remember about the revelations of Brian?
Barzee: I remember a lot of it being taken out of the book of Isaiah. He would claim he was the right hand of the Lord. He was going to be like Moses, who delivered the house of Israel out of Egypt.
Steele: Any other details you can remember?
Steele: What happened in April 2002?
Barzee: April of 2002 ... I'm not sure.
Steele: At Irene's house?
Barzee: It was April 11. My stepfather had died, and Brian and I felt we had to pay our respects to him at his funeral. I felt bad I feel bad now but we went to the funeral dressed in our robes again. It was April 11 at Irene's house that the family became very angry that the mother would put up with us still staying there. Lisa came to the house and told us we needed to leave and take all of our possessions. Irene went to the courthouse and got a restraining order on us.
Steele: What did you do at the funeral that you're sorry about?
Barzee: That we wore the robes. And Brian and I. (Trails off, voice breaks. Asks for water). I never knew what happened to my children, one of my sons, I never knew what happened to him. I'd been separated from him for so long. I signed the visitors book under my son's name, so I knew he was there. I didn't know what other children of mine were there (at the funeral). Mark, my son, was a pallbearer. He was dressed in a suit and looked very nice. Brian and I got up to leave so we wouldn't bother anybody. My youngest daughter came running down the hall and called out my name saying "Wanda Mitchell," screaming at me. She continued screaming at me in the parking lot telling me how much she hated me and that I was evil and that she considered me not even giving her birth to her. The only thing I said to her was "repent."
Steele: Did you shout that inside the building?
Steele: Is that part of what disturbs you?
Steele: Back at Irene's, she left to go to the courthouse. Did she return?
Barzee: I think she returned with Lisa from the van. We were told we had to take everything with us and we coudn't take it with us, so we destroyed everything we had.
Steele: What did you destroy?
Barzee: Dishes and microwaves and a wheat grinder that had a wood case on it. We destroyed our television and videos. Everything we piled in her garbage can.
Steele: Where did you go?
Barzee: We didn't know where else to go but in our tepee.
Steele: Where did you go from there?
Barzee: We didn't know where else to go but up to our teepee. We went to base camp in the mountains.
Steele: And this is the same place back in 1997 where you got the teepee, in the same general area?
Barzee: It was, but the base camp was lower.
Steele: Was there another blessing or revelation?
Barzee: Yes. It was April 30.
Steele: What was that blessing about?
Barzee: It was ... we were told that we were to go forth in five weeks and on the night of June 4th and the lord would open up the way for us to obtain our first wife.
Steele: And what did you do in the next 5 weeks?
Barzee: The first four weeks was of temporal preparation and the last week was spiritual preparation. We were told not to exert any energy, and we just, I can't remember what we would do. The fifth week, I think we had to find another camp higher in the mountains and we were told to store our teepee away for a time. And when it came to be the 4th of June and Brian was supposed to go forth around midnight. And I didn't know who the young woman was going to be. I had no idea, but it was really stressful trying to accomplish everything we were supposed to do.
Steele: Things were getting ever harder?
Steele: Did the two of you have a fight?
Steele: When did that fight happen?
Barzee: We were so stressed out trying to set up the new camp and it was a really heated argument and I can't remember what it was about, but I have been thinking about it since and trying to figure it out. I just knew how drastically my life would change and having a 14-year-old girl, woman.
Steele: More than it being about something specific, was it about the stress you were under?
Steele: Now you say you don't remember what was said. Do you remember anything you said?
Barzee: Yes, I do.
Steele: What is it that you remember?
Barzee: It was a heated argument and I was tired of arguing. And it was close to the time he would leave, and I was the mother of Zion, and if it let the lord open this way, then he would have to do it.
Steele: What does that mean if the lord doesn't do it?
Barzee: I believe the lord is all powerful and I believe if it was the lord's will, he would have provided the young woman. And I have been separated from my children, but Brian, but he gave me a priesthood blessing that he knew he needed to take the young woman by force, and I was devastated.
Steele: So you said if the lord doesn't open up a way he wouldn't have to do it?
Barzee: Yes, well he was talking about these other young girls and the lord said that wasn't in vain.
Steele: What about the way, was did you tell him about that?
Barzee: I don't remember.
Steele: Did you tell him he needed to be obedient?
Steele: That is the feeling you had about yourself?
Steele: That was important to obey God? Was all of those things important and harder for Brian?
Barzee: He seemed to be above that. He just did what he wanted to do.
Steele: Did he struggle in going down the mountain?
Barzee: He didn't seem to be struggling much, he was just yelling at me as we were putting things away.
Judge. This seems like a good stopping point. We will be in recess for 15-20 minutes.
Judge: You may proceed.
Steele: Thank you, your honor. This appears to be hard for you. Is it hard?
Steele: Around June 4th, did you believe in this command from God, back at that time, did you believe that Brian believed?
Steele: Right now, do you believe that Brian believed?
Barzee: That's a hard question. I don't know.
Steele: Sometimes you think so and sometimes not?
Barzee: Well ... it's hard to say. I don't know.
Steele: I have what is marked defendant's exhibit P (inaudible). What is it?
Barzee: Yes. It's the birth of Zion.
Steele: Is that another one of your journals?
Steele: Will you turn to page 42 in the journal? Would you take a moment to read from the top down to the symbol whose name I do not know. That little squiggly line I don't know what it's called if you would read that to refresh your memory.
Barzee: I don't know how far I'm supposed to read.
Steele: Do you see the little squiggly mark about one-third down the page?
Steele: Did you write that passage?
Steele: In there do you talk about Immanuel becoming incapacitated?
Barzee: I can't remember what I read.
Steele: Including the cutoff line, it's one, two, three, four five ... what's in line six. It starts with "failing in my attempt" at line four.
Barzee: What was your question?
Steele: You write there that Immanuel was incapacitated.
Barzee: I don't see that word.
Steele: If you would read ... let's go down to line four. "And failing." Do you want to read from there? If you would read that outline?
Barzee: I'm still not sure where that is. (Starts reading). "In failing my way to do so ... Immanuel became incapacitated as he moved forward therefore rebelling in the state of God."
Steele: And what did you do?
Barzee: That is probably when I told him to go forth and obey.
Steele: (Pointing to exhibit). Do you know what that is a copy of? Did you recognize that?
Barzee: Brian's handwriting. (The date is 1/31/06). Is this the kite that he sent me at the Utah State Hospital?
Steele: What is a kite?
Barzee: Where you send a letter without permission.
Steele: Is there a letter about shackles?
Barzee: I'm not a very fast reader. I don't know. It's hard to read. "This he fulfilled with his blood... all the Scriptures are still in full force and the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution should uphold all laws from law. All our rights come from God. Cannot be denied by God. In the Constitution, God's laws are acknowledged as a supreme god of the law for all who have eyes to see it. The only part of the law that I must satisfy for us to be" I can't make that out. "The law found in Deuteronomy. (Voice breaking as she reads a passage from Deuteronomy). "This can be arranged by the grace of God."
Felice Viti: Government exhibit 22. Ms. Barzee, could you look at exhibit 22?
Viti: Who is that?
Barzee: Brian David Mitchell.
Viti: When you refer to the man that is Brian or Immanuel ... so the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart is all your fault?
Viti: Well if you didn't tell the defendant to heed God's command then the defendant, he would have not kidnapped Elizabeth Smart. Is that true or not true?
Barzee: I don't know.
Viti: Did you tell him God commanded it?
Viti: So the idea that Elizabeth Smart was to be kidnapped was from Brian David Mitchell, and that was from God, and you didn't want to disobey God's word?
Viti: The word of God through Brian?
Viti: Just let's clarify some things. You use the word ministering during (previous testimony). Minister means panhandling. When the defendant said he was ministering, it meant getting money from people. When you use the word ministering, it means panhandling?
Viti: Mr. Steele asked about the medical attention you've received since March 12 of 2004.
Viti: Since that day you have been on a variety of medications. Is that correct?
Viti: And a lot of drugs helping with mental state?
Viti: Countless hours of mental therapy, correct?
Viti: You told us of all the mental or psychological problems, is that correct?
Viti: During June 12 of 2003, your were not taking medication or having therapy for these problems?
Viti: In fact, you didn't take any meds for these problems prior to 2003, is that correct?
Viti: And you didn't take medicine prior to 2004?
Viti: Did Brian ever tell you to not take medication?
Barzee: We learned lymphology and we didn't believe in doctors.
Viti: You didn't want to lose Brian (for not obeying him)?
Viti: You pled guilty in November 2009 in federal court to the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart. And you pled guilty to the intention to transport a minor with the intention to engage in illegal sexual activity, didn't you?
Viti: And that would be because of your conduct in March of 2003, was that correct?
Barzee: I think so.
Viti: And that was the date you were arrested in Sandy, Utah, is that correct?
Viti: And that was for a time you were not taking medication?
Viti: And you were not undergoing any mental helpÂ or counseling at that time?
Barzee: That is right.
Viti: What is the status of your marriage to the defendant?
Barzee: We're still married. I filed for divorce in 2004.
Viti: Had that gone through?
Viti: You met in group counseling?
Viti: Was there divorced people in the group?
Viti: Was Brian divorced?
Viti: Did you have to be referred by a church or psychologist?
Barzee: No, Jolene was member of LDS Family Services and she told me about it.
Viti: And she referred you. You have been married to your husband for how many years?
Barzee: 20 years.
Viti: And you married about right out of school, at 18?
Barzee: Yes, his full name was Talmadge Nelson.
Viti: He was abusive to you?
Barzee: Yes, emotionally and physical.
Viti: You poured your heart to Brian.
Barzee: I poured out my heart to him about one of my children.
Viti: And other things?
Viti: You told the defendant your prior marriage had been very bad?
Viti: When you met the defendant, remarriage was important?
Viti: You consider marriage important?
Viti: You didn't want to be alone?
Viti: I think you said when you married the defendant, you hadn't healed from your first relationship.
Barzee: I hadn't healed. I thought I was, but I hadn't.
Steele: You were still very vulnerable? You told the defendant at some point that you were terrified of being alone?
Steele: When you met the defendant did you want to have more children?
Steele: Had you had a hysterectomy at that time?
Barzee: I think the hysterectomy was around 1981 or 1982.
Steele: When you married the defendant you couldn't bear children. Did that bother you?
Steele: When you married the defendant, despite that first "hellish" year, your biggest fear was losing him, yes?
Steele: During that hellish year, you sought out counseling, didn't you?
Steele: You were counseled to work it out?
Steele: You respected and admired the people who gave you that counsel?
Steele: Were you taking any medication when you met the defendant?
Barzee: I don't think so.
Steele: When you met the defendant person, would it be fair to say you were a religious person.
Steele: Was that the LDS faith?
Steele: It had been the fabric of your being for as long as you can remember? Were you active in the church?
Barzee: Yes, I was.
Steele: You were ex-communicated from the church.
Steele: Are you trying to get back into the church?
Steele: When you met the defendant, you played the organ and the piano?
Steele: You were a very, very good, talented musician?
Steele: More importantly, you loved it.
Steele: You told us yesterday or maybe today that you would play six to eight hours a day. It was almost spiritual for you, wasn't it?
Barzee: It was my salvation.
Steele: It was a way to communicate with God?
Steele: You told the defendant how much music meant to you?
Steele: We heard how you needed the defendant very much on a lot of levels. You said yesterday that he didn't seem to need you very much, did he?
Barzee: I didn't think so.
Steele: When you first met the defendant, he was a very controlling person?
Steele: Was there a time when you were asked to go on a date with an attorney and he wouldn't allow it.
Steele: Part of the hellishness of the first year of your marriage that possessiveness was part of it?
Steele: As you testified yesterday, Brian David Mitchell needed to be in control?
Steele: That was not only with you, was it?
Steele: When you sought out counseling for that hellish first year, you spoke to the counselor about his controlling you. Once again, you were told to work out your problems?
Barzee: I was told to be the one in control and not to feed the fire.
Steele: You asserting your own control fueled his rage? Did he get angry when you tried to stand up on your own two feet?
Steele: You stated at the end of the first year the marriage got a little better.
Steele: Is that because you got more submissive?
Steele: You stopped trying to stand on your own two feet?
Steele: You said Brian tried to control what you watched on televesion. One of the shows was "9 to 5." What was that show about?
Barzee: About secretaries going to work ... it's been a long time.
Steele: It's about female secretaries working for chauvinist boss. Brian didn't want you to watch it, did he?
Steele: Did Brian try to control what your children watched?
Steele: He watched what he wanted to watch, is that correct?
Steele: When you married the defendant, you didn't see your family much?
Steele: You love your family very much? They've been supporting you through this terrible time?
Steele: You didn't see your family because your defendant didn't want you to see your family?
Steele: But he saw his family during the marriage?
Steele: Part of the family you couldn't see is Dora Corbett. Do you love her very much?
Steele: Yesterday you talked about a ring that it took the defendant took four years to make for you.
Steele: You waited four years for that ring. That was a wedding ring?
Steele: One day he brought you the ring he'd made?
Barzee: Yes. I don't remember how long it took to make it. I tried to compel him to finish it. When I learned to be submissive to him, when I learned to be submissive, obedient and humble he came home from work and said he could finish the ring.
Steele: Where is the ring now?
Barzee: We were in Palo Alto and a student noticed the ring. The student said if I could wear a ring like that we wouldn't need any money. Then we met a Mennonite family ...
Steele: Let me stop you there. One of the students saw your ring and said "You don't need any money with that ring." As a result, Brian sold the ring?
Barzee: Yes, he had a toothache and needed to see the dentist. So he sold the ring to a jeweler.
Steele: And Brian fixed his own tooth?
Steele: Early on in your marriage, were you active in the LDS Church.
Steele: Early on in your marriage, did Brian receive a temple recommend?
Steele: What is a temple recommend?
Barzee: You go into an interview with a bishop and stake president and answer questions about your worthiness. They issue you a temple recommend.
Steele: The bishop found Brian worthy?
Steele: Based on the answers that Brian would give?
Steele: You testified yesterday that the defendant became an ordinance worker at the temple. Is that an important calling?
Steele: You testified that Mr. Mitchell was part of the bishopric.
But at some point, when he was a member the bishopric was released?
Barzee: The bishop went on a mission.
Steele: And Brian wanted to be bishop?
Barzee: He thought he should be.
Steele: But he wasn't the right man for the job?
Steele: And he was angry about that, because he believed he should be the bishop?
Steele: Who is LouRee?
Barzee: She is my sixth child. My daughter.
Steele: How old was LouRee when you married the defendant?
Barzee: When I married Brian, she was about 10.
Steele: You love LouRee very much?
Barzee: Yes, I do.
Steele: LouRee lived with you and the defendant. She had a pet rabbit. One day the defendant killed her pet rabbit?
Steele: He not only killed the rabbit, but he served it to her to eat?
Barzee: I vaguely remember him coming into the kitchen and telling me how to cook it.
Steele: LouRee ate that rabbit?
Barzee: Yes, Brian had me tell her it was chicken.
Steele: This was all the defendant's idea? It wasn't your idea to feed your daughter her pet rabbit?
Barzee: No (starts to cry).
Steele: She was young?
Barzee: Yes, about 11.
Steele: She trusted you?
Steele: The defendant gloated over the fact that he fooled LouRee into eating "chicken." He was very pleased with himself?
Steele: Did the defendant have a temple recommend when he fed LouRee the pet rabbit?
Steele: Was he involved in the church when he killed the pet rabbit?
Steele: During your marriage with the defendant, he would view pornography, didn't he?
Barzee: He would never show me pornography before he got Elizabeth.
Steele: Isn't it correct that he would show your children pornography?
Barzee: I wouldn't know anything about that.
Steele: Do you remember being interviewed by a doctor in this case? A doctor by the name of Welner?
Steele: Do you remember telling Welner that during your marriage Brian would "show us pornography?"
Barzee: No, I don't remember.
Viti: Ms. Barzee, I ask you to read government exhibit 79 to yourself. ... Have you read it?
Viti: Does that refresh your recollection that the defendant showed pornography to your children?
Barzee: I wasn't aware of that.
Viti: During the early years of your marriage to the defendant was there a time during your marriage that you confronted him about photos of two young girls, about two girls that were naked.
Barzee: I don't remember those photographs.
Viti: You don't remember those photos that were among his belongings?
Barzee: No, I don't.
Viti: During a time of your marriage he worked at OC Tanner.
Viti: And he worked four or five years?
Barzee: Eight years, I think.
Viti: And he worked his way up?
Barzee: From maintenance at the retail store.
Viti: Worked his way up to?
Barzee: He was a die cutter making award emblems.
Viti: He left his job why?
Barzee: He was tired of the music he was hearing, and they gave him earphones and, but he would sing.
Viti: Did he tell you he was going to leave?
Viti: How did he justify it, why was he going to leave?
Barzee: The main thing was the music he was hearing, and he always wanted to work with metals and was hired on the spot to work with historical metals and casting.
Viti: How long did he work there?
Barzee: Eight months.
Viti: What reason did he give for leaving?
Barzee: In April of 1994 he gave his resignation after our organ recital to teach lymphology.
Viti: Did he discuss that before then?
Barzee: Not much, he said that is what he wanted to teach.
Viti: So he told you it was the lord's will to leave the job?
Viti: He had to pay taxes working for the society?
Viti: But he didn't have to pay taxes working with Mr. West?
Viti: After he quit the historical arts, did he work right away with Dr. West?
Viti: What did he try to do?
Barzee: He tried to teach in Salt Lake City and the stake president was concerned, and he felt he was being closely watched, and so then we bought a trailer and moved to Heber, Utah, and that is when he met Dr. West.
Viti: So when he worked for Dr. West, that involved selling?
Barzee: He had to teach to receive a donation. He had to convince them that is was either something that they needed or wanted in their lives.
Viti: He was a skilled talker?
Viti: A smooth talker?
Viti: Let's talk about the miracle of the fifth-wheel trailer. How did it miraculously come to you?
Barzee: We went to the place that sold trailers. We saw it was priced at 3200 dollars and we didn't think it was possible to buy one. And so we looked at a smaller one. We talked to the salesman, and there was also some other man already in there. He said his trailer was about the same size (that he had at home), and he used it at the same time, and it was remodeled and he had us follow him to the house and showed us his. And we made a deal with the salesman if we bought his trailer the salesman would lend us the money for the trailer (at the trailer dealership).
Viti: Brian convinced him to let him borrow the money?
Barzee: The salesman said he would sell it to us for $11000 and he said to fill out the form and see what we can do.
Viti: Brian said he would pay for trailer?
Viti: And that is the trailer you had on the McKnight's property?
Viti: And so Brian told you the way you received the trailer was aÂ miracle?
Barzee: Yes, it didn't just appear in the field.
Viti: And you believed it was a miracle after Brian told you? Let's talk a little bit about the seven months you lived with the Wests. Did you have the miracle trailer when you lived with the Wests? Was that before or after the Wests?
Barzee: Dr. West hired Brian to teach lymphology to strangers over the phone.
Viti: Brian was very successful at that wasn't he?
Viti: He talked to people all over the world?
Viti: You lived with the Wests for a number of months. Did you pay them rent?
Viti: They had a very charitable philosophy.
Barzee: Yes, they did.
Viti: While he worked for the Wests he didn't pay taxes. And he enjoyed that?
Viti: The defendant didn't like to pay for a lot of things. Child support?
Barzee: Yes. He borrowed money from his mother one time.
Viti: He didn't pay her back, did he?
Viti: He didn't keep his promise with the fifth-wheel trailer. He would avoid debt by going up and leaving?
Viti: At some point after seven months he left the Wests?
Viti: You left the Wests together?
Viti: For what reason? Why did you leave the Wests?
Barzee: I don't know. Dr. West was always trying to get Brian to come back and teach lymphology but he was always concerned about getting us back to the church, too. Because we weren't active in the church and Brian didn't say anything to Dr. West because he'd spent so much time training him. Then he cut us off from the academy.
Viti: You spoke about leaving for Idaho and you broke an axle.
Barzee: There were two axles. The front axel was slightly bent already. He went to pull out from the gas station and realized it didn't have regular gas.
Viti: Is this before you went to Idaho with the fifth-wheel trailer? You waited three days for the axle. Was it replaced?
Barzee: Brian purchased the axle from some family members that worked for the company and replaced both axles. ... He gave me a priesthood blessing to say we needed to simplify our lives.
Viti: What is a priesthood blessing?
Barzee: A man from the church places hands on a head and places a blessing on you.
Viti: That is sacred to you, isn't it?
Viti: You had told Brian that. When the defendant gave you a priesthood blessing, you would believe it, wouldn't you?
Viti: In Idaho, let's talk about the McKnights. Sometime in Idaho there was a ward there. There was a town that had a ward? There was the Huskey ward? You were called to be the pianist for the Relief Society? That made you happy and the defendant was envious?
Barzee: I think so.
Viti: Did you ever see the defendant give Mr. McKnight a pamphlet of his writings?
Viti: At some time during the time you spent with the McKnights, was there was a disagreement between you and the McKnights?
Viti: Why did you leave the McKnights?
Barzee: Brian said there wasn't a way to pay for the trailers. He went for a walk in the mountains and came back and said it was the Lord's will that we sell everything we owned.
Viti: He said this was a revelation?
Viti: The reason was, leave the trailer?
Viti: He left the trailer with the McKnights but didn't tell them he owned money on the trailer?
Barzee: I don't know.
Viti: After Idaho, you traveled through the county. Was this the journey through the land time?
Viti: Whose idea was it to travel through the country?
Barzee: Yes. It was his idea to hitchhike to Spokane, Washington, after our items sold. We bought bedpans, and sleeping bags and backpacks.
Viti: Was this the trip after Idaho where you began writing "Journey through the Land?" Was that Brian's idea?
Barzee: From having our things for sale we came back to Salt Lake City and stayed in a small pop-tent. That is where I would through a priesthood blessing ... that the angels were watching us... and I was commanded to keep upon my journal.
Viti: You had faith in the priesthood blessing. That is how "Journey of the Land" started? Brian told you through a priesthood blessing?
Viti: During these travels, you had to rely on the kindness of strangers, people you had never met?
Viti: He was able to talk them into giving him money?
Barzee: He held up a sign and money came.
Viti: And this was ministering?
Viti: He was able to stay at people's homes. This was this talent he had at talking to people. He was very skilled at getting people to do what he wanted, wasn't he?
Viti: You went back east. You were wearing robes at the time. You played your beautiful music in cathedrals and churches. One was in Boston? Boston and Philadelphia and New York City?
Viti: That was Babylon, New York City?
Viti: You testified about spending $250 at church in Philadelphia. What happened?
Barzee: We were given the money to play a recital. When the $250 fee came up, I was told that was Satan's power and that was a test for me to prove that I didn't really seek the fame for myself, but that I really wanted to glorify God through the music I played. The Lord would take care of the fee in his own way.
Viti: Was this the journey that you visited Hawaii?
Barzee: This was the same journey, in the 20 months that we had.
Viti: You flew to Hawaii? And you testified that the defendant panhandled for some of that money to purchase tickets for Hawaii?
Viti: When he wasn't raising enough money, you went to a welfare office?
Barzee: Yes, going to the welfare office is how we got the money for the one-way ticket. The welfare office gave it to you.
Viti: What did you have to tell the welfare office for the money?
Barzee: It was supposed to be money for a round ticket, I thought. They were questioning it or something. They wanted us to go to work and pay it off. And Brian said, "No, I'll just take the money for a one-way trip."
Viti: Were you supposed to pay the money back?
Barzee: I don't know.
Viti: When the defendant couldn't raise enough money, he had a revelation about going to the welfare office?
Viti: When you were in Hawaii, you spent about a month there? He panhandled to get the return trip home?
Viti: Did he do any volunteer work in Hawaii?
Viti: Was this the journey where you went to Alaska?
Barzee: No, that was later.
Viti: And in Hawaii, you're still writing "Journey through the Land"? Would Brian look at what you wrote?
Viti: Did Brian tell you what he did during the day?
Viti: Did Brian ever edit your manuscript?
Viti: Would Brian look at what you write, or what you wrote?
Viti: During this time, Brian never edited your work, your manuscript?
Viti: During your travels for 20 months, you relied on him a lot?
Viti: Food and shelter?
Viti: You couldn't have done this on your own could you?
Viti: He was good at it, but you needed him.
Barzee: He never taught me how to follow a map or look at directions.
Viti: So you were dependent on him?
Viti: So for 20 months you survived and went from one coast to Hawaii and back, is that correct?
Viti: Your stepfather, this is the one that passed away when you were at the funeral in robes.
Viti: The defendant wanted to hold meetings at your mom's house?
Viti: Your mom knew how much you wanted to play music.
Barzee: I could have played all day, but she would tell me to quit practicing and I had practiced enough.
Viti: What age did you start playing?
Barzee: I think I was around the third grade. Our music teacher lived with us, he was a one-legged man and he lived with us for one year. And I was sexually molested by him. I don't remember very much, but I remember sitting in the courtroom.
Viti: It is all right, you don't need to if you don't want. ...
Barzee: It's all right, I just found out the whole history (of the teacher) when I was incarcerated, what happened. And he just (eventually) moved out of the house.
Viti: Since a young girl you played the piano or organ?
Barzee: A piano.
Viti: When the defendant lived there, he wanted to hold meetings there?
Viti: Your mom was a very active member of the church wasn't she?
Viti: What did your mom say when the defendant asked to hold meetings in the house?
Barzee: I don't remember exactly, but she didn't want us to take control of her home, I don't think.
Viti: Did she express concern about the content of those meetings?
Barzee: I don't remember.
[Judge is laughing.]
Viti: The defendant said it was a good time to play piano at these meetings?
Viti: Well, do you know or not know?
Barzee: Probably, yes.
Viti: Let's talk about something that is called The Book of Immanuel David Isaiah. Do you recall when the defendant stared writing it?
Barzee: No, I don't. I don't recall when the first revelation came out.
Viti: Did he tell you that what he wrote was divinely inspired?
Viti: Came from God?
Viti: And you believed it?
Viti: Explain to us the process of writing that book, how was it written?
Barzee: He just said he started writing revelations and said a revelation was coming forth and would have me write it out in calligraphy.
Viti: So he would do it and have you write it out in the beautiful calligraphy. Did you meet his father, Shirl?
Viti: He wroteÂ a book, too.
Viti: Did you see that book?
Barzee: I don't think so.
Viti: Did the defendant talk about his dad's book?
Barzee: He said his dad had been writing for years. I didn't talk to Shirl much. I didn't relate to him much.
Viti: The defendant's book was much smaller than Shirl's book, wasn't it?
Viti: Did the defendant talk about how he admired his father's book?
Viti: Did he read it?
Barzee: No, I don't believe he read it. He didn't believe a lot of the things his father was believing in.
Viti: Let's talk about some to the blessingsÂ and revelations with being married to the defendant. What is your understanding of a revelation?
Barzee: It is the impression you get from the holy spirit.
Viti: You aren't hearing a voice when this happens?
Viti: It is a spiritual kind of movement?
Viti: Would that be the same as inspiration? Are they similar?
Viti: Is inspiration very important to you?
Viti: The defendant had many revelations, and he made sure you heard them?
Viti: And priesthood blessings, the same thing?
Viti: When the defendant would give a priesthood blessing, would he put hands on your head?
Barzee: Yes, he would.
Viti: Would he speak? How would his speech be?
Barzee: He said something by the power of the priesthood he holds, places his hand on my head and gives me priesthood blessing and would say what the lord wanted me to know.
Viti: This was important to you. You were an obedient and submissive wife, and you believed him.
Viti: Let's talk about some of the revelations with Mr. Mitchell. He said you needed to submit to him.
Barzee: I learned that as a temple ordinance worker.
Viti: But did he ever tell you that?
Barzee: I don't remember. He didn't give me very many blessings until around the time I did my third organ recital in 1994.
Viti: Did he ever give you a priesthood blessing about being submissive through '94?
Viti: You, in your heart, knew you wanted to be a submissive wife?
Viti: You wanted to obey?
Viti: At great length you discussed earlier the celestial marriage revelation. Let's focus on that a bit. Your understanding of celestial marriage is plural marriage?
Viti: That's what Brian told you his understanding was?
Viti: This was around November 2000. Where were you living?
Barzee: Irene Mitchell's place.
Viti: Was he in and out of Salt Lake City at the time?
Viti: This was the same time Kelly, the African-American woman, panhandled?
Viti: At some time he has a revelation or a dream. Was it on the 21st about Kelly?
Barzee: Yes. He told me he had visualized this black woman.
Viti: You found out this black woman was Kelly?
Viti: He was afraid about it?
Barzee: Yes. He told me he felt guilty about this dream of having a black woman for a wife.
Viti: How did you feel about celestial marriage?
Barzee: It was hard to bear that I was going to share another woman with him.
Viti: Did anything happen two days after that, the first mention of celestial marriage? Did he have another revelation?
Barzee: I was upset about plural marriage coming forth. That's when he gave me the priesthood blessing.
Viti: For two days, you expressed your disappointment to him. You collapsed in his arms. And he gives you a blessing. What did he say?
Barzee: He said I needed to live the law or suffer eternal consequences.
Viti: The law according to God? Who told you it was God's law to be a participant in plural marriage?
Viti: He told you, you were to be the mother of Zion?
Barzee: Yes, that I would see my savior and be healed. That my womb would be opened.
Viti: This was important to you? You didn't want to be consigned to eternal damnation?
Viti: You had to be perfect, didn't you?
Viti: Being perfect included obeying him, doing what he wanted to do, regardless of how much you didn't want to do it, regardless of how much it hurt you?
Barzee: Yes (crying).
Viti: At some point after the priesthood blessing, suddenly Kelly appears. How long after the blessing does Kelly appear in your life?
Barzee: I think it was like in February.
Viti: So you had the revelation the 21st of November and two days the priesthood blessing because you don't want to do it, and sometime in February, you meet Kelly. How do you meet Kelly?
Barzee: He took me to her apartment.
Viti: So even before you met her, he knew where she lived?
Barzee: Yes, he took me there. He didn't tell me anything about her other than she was a black woman. She was eight months pregnant and we went to her apartment. He said something about plural marriage being restored. I gave my consent to agree that she be his wife.
Viti: So Kelly is going to be your sister wife?
Viti: Prior to that time, had he told you that he'd consummated the marriage yet?
Viti: When did he tell you'd he'd consummated the marriage?
Barzee: While I was soaking in the tub, trying to get used to the idea. He came home late one night and I told him I gave my permission. He told me he was going ministering. He went out again one night and came back. He told me he'd married Kelly to himself and consummated the marriage.
Viti: When he first told you he was set on taking Kelly as a celestial wife, you hadn't had the right to invoke the Law of Sarah or your ability to say no? You never had the opportunity to do that?
Viti: He came home one day and announced he'd consummated the marriage?
Viti: How did that make you feel?
Barzee: Terrible. He didn't want anything more to do with me in the time he met Kelly.
Viti: One time, he was in another room with Kelly, lusting after her, having sex with her, while you were in a back room. He wasn't expressing what he believed celestial marriage should be?
Barzee: No. Once, he was sitting on the bed and it seemed like they were having a private conversation and they didn't want me involved in it.
Viti: This was after Brian told you, you were the mother of Zion?
Barzee: Yes. He had a key to her apartment and I asked him to give me the key. I was going to downtown to execute the Law of Sarah to tell her she had no claim on him. He gave me the power to do that. He went downtown with me and he was very angry with me. I found Kelly panhandling in front of the Joseph Smith Memorial Building. He was close enough to me that he heard what I said. I asked Kelly if she wanted to go to her apartment. I told her she had no more claim on Brian. He was worried that people would hear me and understand what we were talking about. He didn't want anyone else to know that Kelly was his wife. I left him to go catch the train to go back home. He was just so angry. We got off the train track and I thought he was going to go home with me.
Viti: He was willing that night to leave the mother of Zion and be with Kelly?
Viti: You found out after that he'd been with Kelly after you invoked the Law of Sarah?
Barzee: He came home and there was something in him. I asked him about it and he said he'd had sexual relations with Kelly. He never really did tell me he was done with her.
Viti: Kelly was his first attempt at plural marriage, was that correct?
Viti: Was Kelly younger than you?
Barzee: She was in her 40s.
Viti: You told us about a woman named Julie.
Viti: Julie was someone the defendant tried to persuade to enter the plural marriage?
Barzee: Yes. She was in her 30s.
Viti: That was after Kelly. Where did you meet Julie?
Barzee: At a store where she worked at. I think we went to a park on her lunch break and talked to her.
Viti: Did Brian tell you he'd met her before that day? Before you went to the shoe store?
Viti: Did Brian tell you where you were going before you went to the shoe store?
Barzee: Just that he had another woman to ask to be his wife.
Viti: And he didn't give you an indication that he met her prior?
Viti: So he walked right in there and started talking plural marriage?
Viti: Was she engaged at the time?
Barzee: Yes, she was.
Viti: Did the defendant encourage her to sell her belongings and to be his wife?
Barzee: I don't remember.
Viti: She didn't come with you, did she?
Barzee: No. She had already separated herself from her family and was marrying into the church and didn't want to break that.
Viti: She wanted no part of plural marriage?
Viti: You said he stopped the girl on the bus.
Barzee: That is familiar to me, but i seem to remember he got on the bus and was going to try to find out where this young woman lived. Something about they had to go on another bus and so he was lost.
Viti: Was this before or after Julie?
Viti: You recall it was Kelly and then Julie and then this girl on the bus?
Barzee: Yes, well we were given that age from 10- to 14-year-olds and that is where he was trying to stalk and try and find out where young women lived.
Viti: Was Julie the result of a revelation?
Barzee: He didn't tell me. I don't know.
Viti: So after failing with Kelly and Julie and after failing to pursue them, after you invoked the Law of Sarah on them, what was the next revelation?
Barzee: Well maybe I need to clarify. When I received the priesthood blessing on the 23rd of November that plural marriage was restored, I was told to take seven wives into my heart and home, and they had seven times seven, and then seven times 49, and then in the end he was going to have 350 wives in the end.
Viti: That is what he told you?
Judge: I think it is time to take a lunch break.
Viti: I would like to get to the revelation that the defendant had about young girls. When did he tell you about that revelation?
Barzee: It was when Kelly and Julie didn't want to join the church and there wasn't anyone to listen to our testimony. We were commanded to take 14-year-old young women. We were to snatch them out of the world and train them in the ministries of God.
Viti: How long after the kidnapping of Ms. Smart did he tell you about that revelation? How long before? Did the defendant ever describe to you what type of 14-year-old?
Viti: Did he tell you what type of family she was to come from?
Viti: When the defendant told you about this revelation, you were heartbroken?
Viti: You didn't want a 14-year-old to be forcibly taken away from her family?
Viti: Did you convey that to the defendant?
Viti: What did he say?
Barzee: I'm trying to remember. It was the Lord's will. I didn't want a young woman taken away from her family and her friends.
Viti: Did the defendant tell you it was your religious obligation to do it?
Barzee: A little bit. I don't remember what he said, but it was back to being submissive and obedient again. I was told I needed to listen to the plan of my husband.
Viti: You needed to be submissive and obey?
Viti: Did he act surprised by the revelation?
Viti: You never had any idea as to when this was to occur? Or you did?
Viti: There came a time at the kidnapping of Ms. Smart that you started making preparations. How long before Ms. Smart's kidnapping did you do that?
Barzee: Around April 30.
Viti: Did the defendant tell you on April 30, five weeks from today, we're going to get that girl?
Viti: On that date, did he describe you who that was going to be?
Viti: Did he tell you what family she would come from?
Viti: The five weeks were for physical and spiritual preparation. Including getting the camp ready?
Viti: What did you do the first four weeks?
Barzee: That was called temporal preparation. We did the same old thing. He would panhandle.
Viti: Let's go to physical preparation.
Barzee: We were building an underground house. He took the tepee up.
Viti: Then you prepared the camp itself, the camp where Ms. Smart was held for a number of months?
Viti: He purchased the cable. He measured out that cable. He had to measure out just how far he was going to allow that 14-year-old to roam?
Viti: He prepared the (inaudible) with a bolt cutter. He had to purchase those cables?
Viti: You had to set up the bucket that was to be used as her bathroom? You had to set up the tent in which she was to be raped in?
Viti: She was measured out where she was allowed to clean the camp?
Viti: The defendant was very careful in his plan, very meticulous?
Viti: During this time, he was very concerned with being caught by the police. He made preparations as best he could to avoid that? Concealment was part of his plan to not get caught?
Viti: Let's talk about some of the revelations that he told you during Ms. Smart's captivity. Let's focus on those. During the time Smart was held captive, you became angry at the defendant at his lust for her?
Viti: You were angry both in Utah and after you took Ms. Smart to California? You made your feelings known on more than one occasion to the defendant?
Viti: When you made your feelings known, he'd come back with a priesthood blessing?
Viti: The priesthood blessing involved scheduling time for you and scheduling time for Mrs. Smart, didn't they? You believed they revelations, didn't you?
Viti: He would give you a priesthood blessing that was divinely inspired, but he just wouldn't even follow the schedule, would he? He just kept lusting after Ms. Smart and neglecting you?
Viti: There came a time when he decided it was time to include Ms. Smart in oral sex, wasn't it. That was the result of a revelation and a priesthood blessing, wasn't it?
Barzee: I don't remember that one.
Viti: Do you remember a revelation in which you were to demonstrate sexual activity in front of Ms. Smart?
Viti: And you believed him?
Viti: During the time Ms. Smart was held captive, you complained to the defendant about his drinking?
Viti: He would steal alcohol wouldn't he. He called it plundering. And that's from the Bible, right?
Viti: Did he justify his stealing by the use of plundering?
Barzee: Yes and haste and spoil.
Viti: When you complained about his alcohol, another revelation would come and another priesthood blessing. Then he would do what he wanted with the alcohol and you'd stop complaining.
Viti: Is that true of drug use. Um, or just drinking?
Viti: Which one?
Barzee: Well both. He was smoking and drinking and he stole drugs and uh, when he received the revelation, we were not to do that anymore.
Viti: Well he told you you were not able to do that any more, being you and Ms. Smart. He went on doing what he wanted.
Viti: He never expressed remorse for kidnapping Ms. Smart, did he?
Viti: You had a number of encounters with police?
Viti: And never did police take him in for a mental health evaluation, did they?
Viti: You were with a lot of people, and never did any of these people tell you that you needed help for mental health?
Viti: Let's go to plundering. He called it that. It is in the Bible, and the Bible allowed that?
Viti: He stole alcohol, drugs and cigarettes?
Barzee: I knew he got marijuana before we got Elizabeth.
Viti: Well if he paid for it, it was money that could have gone toward food.
Viti: Did he ever take Ms. Smart plundering?
Viti: You didn't drink before you met him?
Barzee: Yes, I took my first drink it was on Mother's Day of 2002, before we got Elizabeth.
Viti: Was this a revelation?
Barzee: I remember he told me before he got with the church he smoked and drank. He was searching for other religions and he was on the property and saw his brother Tim, and he had cigarettes and alcohol in one hand and the Book of Mormon in the other. At that point he decided he had to get rid of the drugs.
Viti: Before you met the defendant, did you look at porn, or kidnap, or engage in sex in front of someone else?
Viti: You did this because of his revelations, and it was your duty to trust him and obey him?
(Barzee is very emotional.)
Viti: The times the defendant was away from you and he told you he was ministering, what would it be?
Viti: You weren't with him, so you relied on what he told you?
Viti: Let's talk a little about the robes for a minute. You stated he told you the robes were God's command and to wear the robes.
Barzee: Yes. That we were separated by the robes from the world.
Viti: You took the robes off after September 11, 2001, because you couldn't panhandle effectively because of the robes.
Barzee: Right, yes.
Viti: And you took off the robes when you hitchiked back from California because you needed a ride, is that correct?
Viti: When you went to Miami?
Barzee: I think it was 1998.
Viti: How long did you spend in Miami?
Barzee: Six months.
Viti: Miami is pretty hot and humid, isn't it?
Viti: Were you wearing robes before this?
Barzee: We wore the robes.
Viti: When you got to Miami, he dressed like Gandhi?
Barzee: Yes, and barefoot.
Viti: On the beach?
Barzee: He would go minister in South Beach.
Viti: You mean panhandle?
Barzee: Yes, they were naked topless women and in string bikinis.
Viti: So he goes to South Beach in a Gandhi get-up and where there are topless women and ministering. He spent a lot of time ministering there?
Viti: During the time, did you write down a blessing he gave you?
Barzee: Yes, I did.
Viti: You talked about you bequeathed a wagon.
Barzee: It was bequeathed to a small town in Idaho.
Viti: To whom?
Barzee: We just left it in a small town in a park.
Viti: Because you were going to the land?
Barzee: We were going to Florida.
Viti: So you didn't want to drag that wagon to Miami?
Viti: You talked about when you were in Miami. There was a horrible ... you had a vision and there was a horrible fire.
Barzee: Well, I experienced the fire.
Viti: You experienced the fire in your mind?
Barzee: It was a real fire.
Viti: Oh, and you didn't want to stay there.
Viti: Was it before you got to South Beach or somewhere else?
Barzee: You had to catch a bus to get to South Beach.
Viti: You told the defendant the fire devastated you.
Viti: He had a revelation and gave you a priesthood blessing and the upshot of that was that you stayed in Miami?
Barzee: We stayed at a campground. Yes, in Dade land.
Viti: So this was another revelation where he got you to do what he wanted you to do?
Viti: There were a lot of those revelations, weren't there?
Viti: You talked about the horrible accident you had with the handcart.
Barzee: That was with the hand house.
Viti: Hand house, sorry. And you wrote about that experience in the birth of Zion.
Barzee: I don't remember.
Viti: Exhibit P as in Peter ... could you turn to page 25. I would ike you to read to yourself and start at the paragraph starting "spontaneously."
[Wanda Barzee reads.]
Viti: You were horribly injured in that accident weren't you?
Viti: You had a crushed chest cavity.
Viti: Your knee and shoulder joints were separated.
Viti: You were in excruciating pain.
Viti: In the middle of the street.
Viti: Brian David Mitchell sees you laying in that street and gets you up to go over to the curb before someone calls the ambulance and you would lose custody of the hand house. Is that correct?
Barzee: Yes. [Barzee cries.]
Viti: Just getting back to the Book of Immanuel David Isaiah, you said a lot was copied from the Book of Isaiah.
Barzee: I recall he used a lot of it.
Viti: That is a book in the Bible?
Barzee: It is a book in the Bible.
Viti: Mr. Steele had asked you on direct examination if since your time that you were arrested, you had a lot of mental health therapy. Is that correct?
Barzee: After I was arrested I was in the Utah State Hospital. I'd spent several years there.
Viti: And that has been a great help to you?
Viti: And medication you've taken has been a great help to you?
Viti: As you sit here today and reflect on your relationship with the defendant, is it your feeling that you were manipulated by the defendant?
Viti: And those manipulations came through his revelations and priesthood blessings?
Viti: Looking back, do you think you would have done those things without those manipulations?
Viti: You had told him time and time again how important religion was to you?
Viti: How important family was to you?
Viti: How much you needed him?
Viti: Looking back on it now, you don't believe any word he told you?
Viti: He lied to you?
Viti: He's a good liar, isn't he?
Barzee: Yes. He's a great deceiver.
Viti: There is nothing the defendant did in your experience with him, looking back, that was in any way kind?
Viti: Looking back on it, as you sit here today, it was all about what the defendant wanted, wasn't it?
Viti: At this point as you sit here, you have great sorrow about the things he convinced you to do, don't you?
Viti: How he separated you from your family, your children?
Viti: Sexual activity?
Viti: The kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart?
Viti: The raping of Elizabeth Smart?
Viti: I have no further questions.
Judge: Redirect from Mr. Steele
Steele: You testified that when Brian started to learn lymphology, you weren't to take medication anymore?
Barzee: He grew up with the teachings of Arnold Ehret. Being a health food fanatic, he was critical of the food I would cook. When he learned about self-healing, he wouldn't let me go to doctors anymore.
Steele: Had you been taking medication at this point?
Steele: You gave up going to doctors at that point?
Steele: When you were injured by being run over by the handhouse, you testified he healed you by using lymphology. How long did he have to work with you each day to get some healing?
Barzee: He worked on me quite a bit when I was first injured. I laid there for three days in pain. He had to help me sit up and that was very painful.
Steele: During the three days, how much of the time was he working on you?
Barzee: He didn't spend that much time on me. He had to help me use the restroom, in using the bread pan and the coals in the wood burning stove.
Steele: How ever much time that it helped you is what you testified?
Steele: You said he drank a lot. When did he start drinking again after he married you?
Barzee: May 12th, on Mother's Day, of 2002.
(Attorneys stipulate on handwritten version on Immanuel David Isaiah that is submitted as evidence. Court allows evidence to be admitted).
Judge: Ladies and gentleman of the jury, thank you for your attention and time. We will not be in trial next week on this matter. You have from now until Nov. 29 not to talk to anyone about the case.