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But here is the rub: they ha... Bicyclists should be as considerate as they want drivers to be to them. I drive a bus. We were told not to block the bikers’ lanes and give them at least three feet of clearance when passing. You know, a bus is pretty big. We do have to park, and we are limited where we can do that. It mostly has to be by the curb for pit stops or pausing to keep on schedule. Bikers need to realize and be aware. Because of traffic we often have nowhere to go to pull away from them. But here is the rub: they ha... <img src="http://mngislctrib.112.2O7.net/b/ss/mngislctrib/1/H.17--NS/0?&pageName=RSS" height="1" width="1" border="0" alt=""/> 58416415@www.sltrib.com Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:36:02 MDT Letter: UTOPIA, Comcast are different animals http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58416447-82/utopia-service-choice-comcast.html.csp Christopher Eaton’s letter (“UTOPIA offers choice beyond giant telecom,” Sept. 7) states that an apples to apples comparison is UTOPIA to Comcast. That is not correct. Comcast is a service provider. UTOPIA is a cable company (fiber-optics) that is a conduit for a limited number of service providers. To use UTOPIA, a user must purchase service from one of the listed providers available through UTOPIA. They must pay the $20 monthly utility fee for a non-utility or an unapproved city tax, then purc... Christopher Eaton’s letter (“UTOPIA offers choice beyond giant telecom,” Sept. 7) states that an apples to apples comparison is UTOPIA to Comcast. That is not correct. Comcast is a service provider. UTOPIA is a cable company (fiber-optics) that is a conduit for a limited number of service providers. To use UTOPIA, a user must purchase service from one of the listed providers available through UTOPIA. They must pay the $20 monthly utility fee for a non-utility or an unapproved city tax, then purc... 58416447@www.sltrib.com Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:36:02 MDT Letter: We experience God, even if you don’t http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58416476-82/god-religion-stenger-absurdities.html.csp Confined in a self-imposed prison of infantile understanding, Professor Gregory Clark’s chosen “religion” (“Atheist Stenger recognized religion’s absurdities,” Sept. 14) dooms his hypothesis; because he can’t reproduce God in a laboratory merely proves he hasn’t properly conducted the experiment. There are so many of us who have personally experienced God! How sad that a man thus “educated” could be so profoundly ignorant. Paul Sharp Salt Lake City Confined in a self-imposed prison of infantile understanding, Professor Gregory Clark’s chosen “religion” (“Atheist Stenger recognized religion’s absurdities,” Sept. 14) dooms his hypothesis; because he can’t reproduce God in a laboratory merely proves he hasn’t properly conducted the experiment. There are so many of us who have personally experienced God! How sad that a man thus “educated” could be so profoundly ignorant. Paul Sharp Salt Lake City 58416476@www.sltrib.com Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:36:02 MDT Letter: Science and spirituality can and do co-exist http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58416491-82/arts-sltrib-humanities-liberal.html.csp I am an ordained minister, and yet I fully concur with the views expressed by Dr. Gregory A. Clark (“Atheist Stenger recognized religion’s absurdities,” Sept. 14) that supernatural and superstitious ideas have no place in the world of scientific research. I also heartily support the views in another Sunday op-ed piece, (“Humanities grads hold their own in job market”) by Dr. Madonna Milner, that a liberal arts education provides a more successful career than does a professional degree. Liberal a... I am an ordained minister, and yet I fully concur with the views expressed by Dr. Gregory A. Clark (“Atheist Stenger recognized religion’s absurdities,” Sept. 14) that supernatural and superstitious ideas have no place in the world of scientific research. I also heartily support the views in another Sunday op-ed piece, (“Humanities grads hold their own in job market”) by Dr. Madonna Milner, that a liberal arts education provides a more successful career than does a professional degree. Liberal a... 58416491@www.sltrib.com Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:36:02 MDT Letter: Utah’s class sizes do indeed matter http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58416516-82/class-classroom-instruction-size.html.csp As one of the teachers who responded to Lisa Schencker’s inquiry about class size, I was interested to read her article published Sept. 14. I was not surprised at the anecdotes from teachers and parents about the negative effects of large class sizes, ranging from the physical limitations of having enough space, to the difficulties of grading writing assignments and providing individual support. I was surprised by the statement of Judi Clarke, director of Parents for Choice in Education: “Class ... As one of the teachers who responded to Lisa Schencker’s inquiry about class size, I was interested to read her article published Sept. 14. I was not surprised at the anecdotes from teachers and parents about the negative effects of large class sizes, ranging from the physical limitations of having enough space, to the difficulties of grading writing assignments and providing individual support. I was surprised by the statement of Judi Clarke, director of Parents for Choice in Education: “Class ... 58416516@www.sltrib.com Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:36:02 MDT Letter: Thanks, Ute Tribe, for letting us be Utes, too http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58416581-82/ute-tribe-utes-letting.html.csp Dear Ute Tribe: Thank you for letting us be Utes. We are grateful that you have allowed us to use your name, and we respect and honor it. Any mistakes we make in that regard are because of ignorance, so we appreciate that you are taking the time to educate us with your new video. We support the University of Utah in its efforts to provide your children with education and all of you with healthier lives. GO UTES! P.S.: When will shirts be available in women’s and children’s sizes and styles? We a... Dear Ute Tribe: Thank you for letting us be Utes. We are grateful that you have allowed us to use your name, and we respect and honor it. Any mistakes we make in that regard are because of ignorance, so we appreciate that you are taking the time to educate us with your new video. We support the University of Utah in its efforts to provide your children with education and all of you with healthier lives. GO UTES! P.S.: When will shirts be available in women’s and children’s sizes and styles? We a... 58416581@www.sltrib.com Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:36:02 MDT Letter: Pipe Great Lakes water to western U.S. http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58416594-82/lakes-project-keystone-pipe.html.csp As a better alternative to the Keystone project and its claimed benefits to the economy, these gung-ho Republicans should pass legislation to build a water transfer pipe from the Great Lakes to the upper Colorado river drainage area. This project would be cleaner, would be bigger, and would be better than the Keystone project. Marco Hodgson Bountiful As a better alternative to the Keystone project and its claimed benefits to the economy, these gung-ho Republicans should pass legislation to build a water transfer pipe from the Great Lakes to the upper Colorado river drainage area. This project would be cleaner, would be bigger, and would be better than the Keystone project. Marco Hodgson Bountiful 58416594@www.sltrib.com Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:36:02 MDT Letter: Teacher should keep her bullet in her pocket http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58407381-82/bullet-teacher-carry-concealed.html.csp A sixth-grade school teacher at Westbrook Elementary accidently discharged her concealed weapon in a faculty restroom. The bullet exploded a toilet, injuring her leg. I am sure relieved to learn she has a concealed carry permit and is available to protect herself and the students in the event of a school tragedy. This accident reminds me of times Andy Griffith gave Barney the OK to load his pistol while bad guys were in the town of Mayberry. For the safety of the students and facility, maybe t... A sixth-grade school teacher at Westbrook Elementary accidently discharged her concealed weapon in a faculty restroom. The bullet exploded a toilet, injuring her leg. I am sure relieved to learn she has a concealed carry permit and is available to protect herself and the students in the event of a school tragedy. This accident reminds me of times Andy Griffith gave Barney the OK to load his pistol while bad guys were in the town of Mayberry. For the safety of the students and facility, maybe t... 58407381@www.sltrib.com Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:38:02 MDT Letter: Cartoon was over the limit http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58407439-82/cartoon-bagley-limits-cartoons.html.csp There should be some limits to the subject matter of political cartoons. Friday’s Pat Bagley cartoon, showing a small child shot, and presumably killed, by a gun falling out of the teacher’s purse is beyond the limits of sensitivity and kindness. Many have lived through the horrible reality of a child they love being killed at school. The depiction of the other terrified children is equally insensitive. Surely there is a better way to make the point that more people seemed upset by the lunch ro... There should be some limits to the subject matter of political cartoons. Friday’s Pat Bagley cartoon, showing a small child shot, and presumably killed, by a gun falling out of the teacher’s purse is beyond the limits of sensitivity and kindness. Many have lived through the horrible reality of a child they love being killed at school. The depiction of the other terrified children is equally insensitive. Surely there is a better way to make the point that more people seemed upset by the lunch ro... 58407439@www.sltrib.com Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:38:02 MDT Letter: Responsible gun owners? Ha! http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58407470-82/teacher-carry-accidentally-concealed.html.csp I have no sympathy for the teacher who accidentally shot herself at Westbrook Elementary School in Taylorsville on Sept. 11. Fortunately, she did not injure or kill an innocent bystander, particularly one of the students. Hopefully she has learned a painfully hard lesson. Should not we all take great solace and have peace of mind that she is a legal concealed carry permit holder in Utah and thus had to have taken the necessary training? Based on this event, we Utahns should be confident that the... I have no sympathy for the teacher who accidentally shot herself at Westbrook Elementary School in Taylorsville on Sept. 11. Fortunately, she did not injure or kill an innocent bystander, particularly one of the students. Hopefully she has learned a painfully hard lesson. Should not we all take great solace and have peace of mind that she is a legal concealed carry permit holder in Utah and thus had to have taken the necessary training? Based on this event, we Utahns should be confident that the... 58407470@www.sltrib.com Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:38:02 MDT Letter: When will our gun luck run out? http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58407774-82/luck-carry-fire-gun.html.csp How fortunate that the Taylorsville teacher who shot herself was not more seriously injured and that no one else was in the line of fire. How long can we continue to have such luck with the premise that arming teachers is the answer to school shootings? The only weapons allowed in schools should be those carried by trained law-enforcement officers. By not even requiring live-fire experience, Utah conceal-carry permits are issued with far too little training. Dee Rowland Salt Lake City How fortunate that the Taylorsville teacher who shot herself was not more seriously injured and that no one else was in the line of fire. How long can we continue to have such luck with the premise that arming teachers is the answer to school shootings? The only weapons allowed in schools should be those carried by trained law-enforcement officers. By not even requiring live-fire experience, Utah conceal-carry permits are issued with far too little training. Dee Rowland Salt Lake City 58407774@www.sltrib.com Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:38:02 MDT Letter: Educate yourself and don’t vote straight party http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58407788-82/vote-party-citizens-election.html.csp As we approach voting time, I hope more Utah citizens are planning on participating in the election process than in previous off-year elections. I am tired of listening to the complaints about our government and specifically about our elected representatives when so few qualified citizens take the time to participate in the election process, and when so many of that few just blindly mark their ballots according to a party label. In a state such as Utah, where one party so dominates, those who ar... As we approach voting time, I hope more Utah citizens are planning on participating in the election process than in previous off-year elections. I am tired of listening to the complaints about our government and specifically about our elected representatives when so few qualified citizens take the time to participate in the election process, and when so many of that few just blindly mark their ballots according to a party label. In a state such as Utah, where one party so dominates, those who ar... 58407788@www.sltrib.com Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:38:02 MDT Letter: Feds not doing the job of Mexican wolf recovery http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58407816-82/mexican-wolf-wolves-recovery.html.csp Thank you, Salt Lake Tribune, for your article, (“Should Mexican Wolves roam Utah?” Sept. 10). The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is a sham. This agency has done little for America’s wolf recovery. Instead of protecting and encouraging acceptance of America’s wolves, they sit idle while wolves are slaughtered. Recently they’ve proposed the delisting of America’s gray wolves. (Mexican grays are excluded, for now.) FWS permits the extermination of wolves based on speculation. Relocating a wolf bec... Thank you, Salt Lake Tribune, for your article, (“Should Mexican Wolves roam Utah?” Sept. 10). The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is a sham. This agency has done little for America’s wolf recovery. Instead of protecting and encouraging acceptance of America’s wolves, they sit idle while wolves are slaughtered. Recently they’ve proposed the delisting of America’s gray wolves. (Mexican grays are excluded, for now.) FWS permits the extermination of wolves based on speculation. Relocating a wolf bec... 58407816@www.sltrib.com Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:38:02 MDT Letter: Cyclists do pay their way http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58407869-82/cyclists-pay-law-charity.html.csp It’s unclear if Mr. Kuehn got tangled in a bike race or charity or tour ride in Morgan (“Pay your way, cyclists,” Sept. 10), but event promoters are required to obtain road permits which can be very expensive. Riders pay registration fees to participate, and unfortunately, the roads are rarely closed. If Mr. K has any familiarity with endurance events (i.e. running or biking), he should know that athletes don’t stop during the course of those events and law enforcement officers monitor key inter... It’s unclear if Mr. Kuehn got tangled in a bike race or charity or tour ride in Morgan (“Pay your way, cyclists,” Sept. 10), but event promoters are required to obtain road permits which can be very expensive. Riders pay registration fees to participate, and unfortunately, the roads are rarely closed. If Mr. K has any familiarity with endurance events (i.e. running or biking), he should know that athletes don’t stop during the course of those events and law enforcement officers monitor key inter... 58407869@www.sltrib.com Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:38:02 MDT Letter: Stewart’s statements encouraging, but worries remain http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58406837-82/species-stewart-extinct-green.html.csp Rep. Chris Stewart is a prominent spokesman for my party. As a green elephant (environmentally conscientious Republican), I appreciate his comment, “None of us wants to see a species go extinct.” I hope this sentiment will become one people automatically associate with the GOP. But I worry about his ability to be successful if he does not understand his opposition. I would encourage him to try to understand those who disagree with his position, if for no other reason to be able to more effec... Rep. Chris Stewart is a prominent spokesman for my party. As a green elephant (environmentally conscientious Republican), I appreciate his comment, “None of us wants to see a species go extinct.” I hope this sentiment will become one people automatically associate with the GOP. But I worry about his ability to be successful if he does not understand his opposition. I would encourage him to try to understand those who disagree with his position, if for no other reason to be able to more effec... 58406837@www.sltrib.com Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:30:02 MDT Letter: FreedomWorks gives Mike Lee his orders http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58406859-82/lee-hatch-orders-com.html.csp Mike Lee is the only member of the United States Senate who for his entire career has a 100 percent “favorable” voting record from the tea party group, Freedom Works. He has also just hired their national political director to run his 2016 re-election campaign (“Lee hires strategist who tried to take out Hatch,” Sept. 10). This is the same group which spent nearly $1 million trying to defeat Orrin Hatch in 2012 because he’s too liberal. Guess we know where he gets his marching orders. Hint: it’s... Mike Lee is the only member of the United States Senate who for his entire career has a 100 percent “favorable” voting record from the tea party group, Freedom Works. He has also just hired their national political director to run his 2016 re-election campaign (“Lee hires strategist who tried to take out Hatch,” Sept. 10). This is the same group which spent nearly $1 million trying to defeat Orrin Hatch in 2012 because he’s too liberal. Guess we know where he gets his marching orders. Hint: it’s... 58406859@www.sltrib.com Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:30:02 MDT Letter: For U.S., Mideast is Humpty Dumpty all over again http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58407016-82/iraq-obama-east-government.html.csp Concerning the Washington Post editorial (“Obama lays out his strategy,” Sept. 12), I disagree. The Syrian conflict didn’t cause the Islamic State. The reverse, the potential of radical religious warfare, is more likely, and probably is why​ President Obama didn’t commit to action in Syria. The rise of the Islamic State was triggered by our intervention in Iraq years ago, which unbalanced the status quo in the Middle East. Forget about good guys vs. bad guys; what we did was change the power ... Concerning the Washington Post editorial (“Obama lays out his strategy,” Sept. 12), I disagree. The Syrian conflict didn’t cause the Islamic State. The reverse, the potential of radical religious warfare, is more likely, and probably is why​ President Obama didn’t commit to action in Syria. The rise of the Islamic State was triggered by our intervention in Iraq years ago, which unbalanced the status quo in the Middle East. Forget about good guys vs. bad guys; what we did was change the power ... 58407016@www.sltrib.com Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:30:02 MDT Letter of the week: NFL sycophants anger me http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58402960-82/nfl-angry-rice-ray.html.csp On a balmy summer morning in 1980, I perched beatifically in the pews of my former church, intently passing the time before Mass by perusing a well-known Catholic newsweekly. “An angry man must never be crossed” was one admonishment to women I remember rather clearly. Another stated, “Let us admire those courageous women who withstand abuse from their husbands ...” I don’t know if Janay Rice is Catholic, but her troubling public statements are lamentable, as was her decision to marry her abuser... On a balmy summer morning in 1980, I perched beatifically in the pews of my former church, intently passing the time before Mass by perusing a well-known Catholic newsweekly. “An angry man must never be crossed” was one admonishment to women I remember rather clearly. Another stated, “Let us admire those courageous women who withstand abuse from their husbands ...” I don’t know if Janay Rice is Catholic, but her troubling public statements are lamentable, as was her decision to marry her abuser... 58402960@www.sltrib.com Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:28:01 MDT Letter: GOP senators are telling stories http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58407334-82/amendment-gop-lee-mike.html.csp Republican Sens. Mitch McConnell, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Orrin Hatch and others have taken to the Senate floor to lie about the Democracy for All amendment, saying it would lead to book banning and prevent voter registration drives. Tea party Sen. Mike Lee of Utah even said that the amendment sponsors want to silence voices like Thomas Paine and Martin Luther King! These are the lengths they’ll go to in telling stories. Frank Pearce Sandy Republican Sens. Mitch McConnell, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Orrin Hatch and others have taken to the Senate floor to lie about the Democracy for All amendment, saying it would lead to book banning and prevent voter registration drives. Tea party Sen. Mike Lee of Utah even said that the amendment sponsors want to silence voices like Thomas Paine and Martin Luther King! These are the lengths they’ll go to in telling stories. Frank Pearce Sandy 58407334@www.sltrib.com Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:28:01 MDT Letter: No good comes of guns in schools http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58406760-82/guns-schools-teacher-carry.html.csp I am appalled after reading the article (“Teacher Shoots Herself in the Leg,” Sept. 11) that our state continues to allow people with concealed weapon permits to carry guns in public schools. The district says, “Student safety is our primary concern,” and yet their hands are tied when it comes to keeping their students safe from their own employees who carry guns. As a parent I cannot know who is carrying a gun at my child’s school, as a principal, my husband cannot know which of his staff mem... I am appalled after reading the article (“Teacher Shoots Herself in the Leg,” Sept. 11) that our state continues to allow people with concealed weapon permits to carry guns in public schools. The district says, “Student safety is our primary concern,” and yet their hands are tied when it comes to keeping their students safe from their own employees who carry guns. As a parent I cannot know who is carrying a gun at my child’s school, as a principal, my husband cannot know which of his staff mem... 58406760@www.sltrib.com Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:27:01 MDT