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In fact, their desire to destroy Israel pr... Speaking as a fan of Pat Bagley and as an American Jew who has no problem criticizing the Netanyahu government’s settlement policies that are a major obstacle to implementing a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I must point out that Bagley’s July 19 cartoon on the tragic situation in Gaza gets its chronology exactly backwards in saying that Gazans’ desire to destroy Israel is a result of being crammed into refugee camps since 1948. In fact, their desire to destroy Israel pr... <img src="http://mngislctrib.112.2O7.net/b/ss/mngislctrib/1/H.17--NS/0?&pageName=RSS" height="1" width="1" border="0" alt=""/> 58234118@www.sltrib.com Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:21:02 MDT Letter: Don’t privatize our public lands http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58241202-82/lands-public-takeover-west.html.csp Pat Bagley’s cartoon was timely (“Public lands takeover,” July 27). It spells out the intent of the organizers to privatize public lands. This is their goal. The intended consequences are frightening enough, but it is the unintended consequences that are really frightening. One, for example, is water. Almost all of our water rises on public lands. John Wesley Powell in his report on arid lands of the West in 1871 made a point that lands in the West cannot be parceled out in the same way as the ... Pat Bagley’s cartoon was timely (“Public lands takeover,” July 27). It spells out the intent of the organizers to privatize public lands. This is their goal. The intended consequences are frightening enough, but it is the unintended consequences that are really frightening. One, for example, is water. Almost all of our water rises on public lands. John Wesley Powell in his report on arid lands of the West in 1871 made a point that lands in the West cannot be parceled out in the same way as the ... 58241202@www.sltrib.com Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:21:02 MDT Letter: Test a real gun law in the courts http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58241219-82/gun-court-laws-real.html.csp The Tribune reported that a federal judge overturned Washington D.C.’s total ban of handguns outside the home. It’s been over six years since the Supreme Court’s ruling in District of Columbia vs. Heller, holding that the 2nd Amendment applies to individuals but that it is not unlimited in its application. The Court appeared to strongly suggest that many of today’s gun control laws are Constitutionally valid. I believe it is time that reasonable gun control legislation be litigated so that ... The Tribune reported that a federal judge overturned Washington D.C.’s total ban of handguns outside the home. It’s been over six years since the Supreme Court’s ruling in District of Columbia vs. Heller, holding that the 2nd Amendment applies to individuals but that it is not unlimited in its application. The Court appeared to strongly suggest that many of today’s gun control laws are Constitutionally valid. I believe it is time that reasonable gun control legislation be litigated so that ... 58241219@www.sltrib.com Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:21:02 MDT Letter: Why should only police have guns? http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58241249-82/bad-guns-guys-law.html.csp Hypothesis: All of us law-abiding citizens would agree to give up our guns and “license to carry” permits on the condition that all law enforcement officers would do the same. The protest would be deafening! They would retort, “We face bad guys who have guns!” We would reply, “Bad guys with guns break into our homes and we, unlike law enforcement officers, do not have the luxury of a ‘take-home patrol car’ parked in our driveways that says to the bad guys, ‘There’s a gun in that house and som... Hypothesis: All of us law-abiding citizens would agree to give up our guns and “license to carry” permits on the condition that all law enforcement officers would do the same. The protest would be deafening! They would retort, “We face bad guys who have guns!” We would reply, “Bad guys with guns break into our homes and we, unlike law enforcement officers, do not have the luxury of a ‘take-home patrol car’ parked in our driveways that says to the bad guys, ‘There’s a gun in that house and som... 58241249@www.sltrib.com Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:21:02 MDT Letter: Solar fee meant to protect coal http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58241262-82/coal-energy-charge-solar.html.csp Rocky Mountain Power (RMP) is asking the Utah Public Service Commission (PSC) for permission to add a monthly charge of $4.65 to those who have installed solar panels. These panels produce electricity using the sun as an energy source. Any surplus electricity generated is sold back to RMP, and the customer pays a monthly net energy charge. The utility claims this charge is needed to pay for maintenance on their grid and other capital expenses. But their real reason remains hidden. They do not wa... Rocky Mountain Power (RMP) is asking the Utah Public Service Commission (PSC) for permission to add a monthly charge of $4.65 to those who have installed solar panels. These panels produce electricity using the sun as an energy source. Any surplus electricity generated is sold back to RMP, and the customer pays a monthly net energy charge. The utility claims this charge is needed to pay for maintenance on their grid and other capital expenses. But their real reason remains hidden. They do not wa... 58241262@www.sltrib.com Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:21:02 MDT Letter: Kudos to Burbank in Geist saga http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58241285-82/dog-burbank-facebook-kendall.html.csp Kudos to Chief of Police Chris Burbank in the “Justice for Geist” saga. As a dog owner of a lovable but aggressively protective dog, I see the fear in other people’s demeanor when my dog sees them as a threat to my person. She’d scare me. So an officer made an immediate and fatal call of judgment. Regrettable. Now Sean Kendall is apologizing for posting to Facebook in a rash manner due to stress and poor judgment. And he had the luxury of time and forethought before his rash posts on Facebook, a... Kudos to Chief of Police Chris Burbank in the “Justice for Geist” saga. As a dog owner of a lovable but aggressively protective dog, I see the fear in other people’s demeanor when my dog sees them as a threat to my person. She’d scare me. So an officer made an immediate and fatal call of judgment. Regrettable. Now Sean Kendall is apologizing for posting to Facebook in a rash manner due to stress and poor judgment. And he had the luxury of time and forethought before his rash posts on Facebook, a... 58241285@www.sltrib.com Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:21:02 MDT Letter: End BLM policing http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58234168-82/blm-law-policing-enforcement.html.csp I have never understood the Tribune’s longstanding love affair with federal government policing of public lands in Utah. The editorial (“Comparing the feds to the Nazis doesn’t solve anything,” July 26) is just one more example. Clearly there is a need, at the federal level, for certain law enforcement agencies. But, public lands federal police? No way. It’s a bad idea that’s done nothing but get worse with time. It’s an idea that flies in the face of the Tenth Amendment of the U. S. Consti... I have never understood the Tribune’s longstanding love affair with federal government policing of public lands in Utah. The editorial (“Comparing the feds to the Nazis doesn’t solve anything,” July 26) is just one more example. Clearly there is a need, at the federal level, for certain law enforcement agencies. But, public lands federal police? No way. It’s a bad idea that’s done nothing but get worse with time. It’s an idea that flies in the face of the Tenth Amendment of the U. S. Consti... 58234168@www.sltrib.com Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:52:02 MDT Letter: Why charge fee for using less power? http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58237205-82/fee-electric-reduced-generation.html.csp The debate about a special fee for self-generation customers strikes me as very curious. Suppose that I purchased a typical home and then replaced light fixtures and appliances to reduce my electric usage. Would Rocky Mountain Power propose that I pay a special fee to compensate them for my reduced usage? Seems very unlikely. Why then would they expect me to pay this new fee if I install solar panels or any other self-generation technology to reduce my electric use? I fail to see any fundamenta... The debate about a special fee for self-generation customers strikes me as very curious. Suppose that I purchased a typical home and then replaced light fixtures and appliances to reduce my electric usage. Would Rocky Mountain Power propose that I pay a special fee to compensate them for my reduced usage? Seems very unlikely. Why then would they expect me to pay this new fee if I install solar panels or any other self-generation technology to reduce my electric use? I fail to see any fundamenta... 58237205@www.sltrib.com Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:52:02 MDT Letter: See Museum of Natural History’s ‘Horse,’ of course http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58232854-82/horses-horse-exhibit-history.html.csp Visit the Museum of Natural History of Utah today! There’s a horse exhibit called “The Horse” open from July 21 to Jan. 4. It is on the third floor and down the left hall. (While you come to visit, you should check out The Sky Terrace on the fifth floor.) Visiting “The Horse” is fun because you get to see horse show awards, a movie about horses’ teeth, a movie about horses, a movie that shows horse skeletons and sculptures of horses. I learned some stuff about horses, such as: some of their r... Visit the Museum of Natural History of Utah today! There’s a horse exhibit called “The Horse” open from July 21 to Jan. 4. It is on the third floor and down the left hall. (While you come to visit, you should check out The Sky Terrace on the fifth floor.) Visiting “The Horse” is fun because you get to see horse show awards, a movie about horses’ teeth, a movie about horses, a movie that shows horse skeletons and sculptures of horses. I learned some stuff about horses, such as: some of their r... 58232854@www.sltrib.com Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:52:01 MDT Letter: Our police have become too militaristic http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58234004-82/police-military-weapons-weapon.html.csp Two weeks ago, a low-grade military weapon was used by Detroit police to disperse a peaceful crowd that had gathered to protest the city’s water shutoffs. The weapon, which is not officially considered a”‘weapon,” was a LRAD, or Long Range Acoustic Device. It can be set to emit a sound which causes physical pain to the ears of those within range. The sound is so powerful it vibrates the bones of the skeleton. That was the setting used on the protesters. The pain was so intense, the crowd quickl... Two weeks ago, a low-grade military weapon was used by Detroit police to disperse a peaceful crowd that had gathered to protest the city’s water shutoffs. The weapon, which is not officially considered a”‘weapon,” was a LRAD, or Long Range Acoustic Device. It can be set to emit a sound which causes physical pain to the ears of those within range. The sound is so powerful it vibrates the bones of the skeleton. That was the setting used on the protesters. The pain was so intense, the crowd quickl... 58234004@www.sltrib.com Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:52:01 MDT Letter: Crow hunt just an excuse to kill something http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58234094-82/crow-hunt-guns-kill.html.csp What is with this “crow hunt”? Wait!! I know! It is just another example of the gun-happy group who seem to run this state making another unwise move. They have all these nice, shiny guns around. What to do with them? Let’s go out and kill something!! Just saying. Margene Sweat Holladay What is with this “crow hunt”? Wait!! I know! It is just another example of the gun-happy group who seem to run this state making another unwise move. They have all these nice, shiny guns around. What to do with them? Let’s go out and kill something!! Just saying. Margene Sweat Holladay 58234094@www.sltrib.com Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:52:01 MDT Letter: Cartoon unethical? How about Congress? http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58234133-82/cartoon-tribune-unethical-bagley.html.csp In Sunday’s opinion section, Ilana Schwartzman takes Pat Bagley and the Tribune to task over a political cartoon he presented about the situation in Gaza (“What’s in a cartoon? Tribune should know better,” July 26). Her main point is that since the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians is complicated and multifaceted, Bagley’s cartoon misrepresented the facts which rendered the cartoon as unethical. If someone as astute as Pat Bagley can’t get his head around this conflict, consider our poo... In Sunday’s opinion section, Ilana Schwartzman takes Pat Bagley and the Tribune to task over a political cartoon he presented about the situation in Gaza (“What’s in a cartoon? Tribune should know better,” July 26). Her main point is that since the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians is complicated and multifaceted, Bagley’s cartoon misrepresented the facts which rendered the cartoon as unethical. If someone as astute as Pat Bagley can’t get his head around this conflict, consider our poo... 58234133@www.sltrib.com Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:52:01 MDT Letter: Hamas targets its own http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58232995-82/hamas-civilians-killing-shields.html.csp It seems beyond your understanding that Hamas, having no care for human life, believing every Muslim killed by the Jews will go to heaven, is deliberately targeting its own civilian populations by launching missiles from their midst. The U.N., which is “neutral,” blames the Israelis for killing civilians in U.N. houses, and yet admits that it found rockets in two of them. (And who knows about the others?) Every mass killing of civilians is an opportunity for Hamas to display dead children, but ... It seems beyond your understanding that Hamas, having no care for human life, believing every Muslim killed by the Jews will go to heaven, is deliberately targeting its own civilian populations by launching missiles from their midst. The U.N., which is “neutral,” blames the Israelis for killing civilians in U.N. houses, and yet admits that it found rockets in two of them. (And who knows about the others?) Every mass killing of civilians is an opportunity for Hamas to display dead children, but ... 58232995@www.sltrib.com Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:32:02 MDT Letter: Empathy needed for Mideast peace http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58233005-82/cartoon-empathy-lake-minister.html.csp In response to Rabbi Ilana Schwartzman’s op-ed (“What’s in a cartoon? Tribune should know better,” July 26): Prime Minister Netanyahu often compares the attacks against Israel to hypothetical attacks against the United States. If the Prime Minister’s comparison is valid, then the comparison between Gaza and a hypothetical occupation of the Salt Lake Valley might be similarly valid. Although a better understanding of the conflict is needed, both the Prime Minister’s and Pat Bagley’s analogies int... In response to Rabbi Ilana Schwartzman’s op-ed (“What’s in a cartoon? Tribune should know better,” July 26): Prime Minister Netanyahu often compares the attacks against Israel to hypothetical attacks against the United States. If the Prime Minister’s comparison is valid, then the comparison between Gaza and a hypothetical occupation of the Salt Lake Valley might be similarly valid. Although a better understanding of the conflict is needed, both the Prime Minister’s and Pat Bagley’s analogies int... 58233005@www.sltrib.com Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:32:02 MDT Letter: Let Bagley wake us up http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58233026-82/bagley-cartoons-cartoon-tribune.html.csp Re (“What’s in a cartoon? The Trib should know better,” July 26): Ms. Schwartzman criticizes the Tribune’s editorial process because of two recently published Bagley cartoons on the subject of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. She says that one of the cartoons can be considered offensive and that the other “plainly misrepresented current events and crossed a line.” In my opinion, both cartoons speak some truth and both include wild political satire. I think that’s the point. They’re cartoons... Re (“What’s in a cartoon? The Trib should know better,” July 26): Ms. Schwartzman criticizes the Tribune’s editorial process because of two recently published Bagley cartoons on the subject of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. She says that one of the cartoons can be considered offensive and that the other “plainly misrepresented current events and crossed a line.” In my opinion, both cartoons speak some truth and both include wild political satire. I think that’s the point. They’re cartoons... 58233026@www.sltrib.com Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:32:02 MDT Letter: Bump Catholic schools to 4A athletics http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58233065-82/schools-catholic-athletes-football.html.csp As high school football is about to begin, can the UHSAA make some better rules when it comes to recruitment? As Juan Diego Catholic and Judge Memorial Catholic can open and close the doors to any prep athlete, the UHSAA can make it fairer to the schools they compete against by bumping them up completely to class 4A. (Judge Memorial plays 3A in football and 4A in basketball and baseball.) That should be a consequence for being able to recruit junior high school athletes entering high school and... As high school football is about to begin, can the UHSAA make some better rules when it comes to recruitment? As Juan Diego Catholic and Judge Memorial Catholic can open and close the doors to any prep athlete, the UHSAA can make it fairer to the schools they compete against by bumping them up completely to class 4A. (Judge Memorial plays 3A in football and 4A in basketball and baseball.) That should be a consequence for being able to recruit junior high school athletes entering high school and... 58233065@www.sltrib.com Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:32:02 MDT Letter: No such thing as “botched execution” http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58233077-82/botched-compassion-execution-convicted.html.csp In my opinion there is no such thing as a “botched execution” for convicted murderers. How can one feel compassion when this person takes another life? Where is the compassion felt for the victim? Jim Dublinski Salt Lake City In my opinion there is no such thing as a “botched execution” for convicted murderers. How can one feel compassion when this person takes another life? Where is the compassion felt for the victim? Jim Dublinski Salt Lake City 58233077@www.sltrib.com Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:32:02 MDT Letter: Rabbi is right about Bagley cartoons http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58233114-82/tribune-cartoons-rabbi-bagley.html.csp Right on, Rabbi. I am an Irish Protestant. I also found the cartoons you mentioned in your opinion piece offensive for the same reasons you discussed (“What’s in a cartoon? Tribune should know better,” July 26). A political cartoonist’s intent is understandable, but if, as you found out, “….that editorial cartoons do not need to be factually accurate…” then to what conclusions should Tribune readers arrive when viewing them? How would Mr. Bagley answer (based on facts) the following question? Th... Right on, Rabbi. I am an Irish Protestant. I also found the cartoons you mentioned in your opinion piece offensive for the same reasons you discussed (“What’s in a cartoon? Tribune should know better,” July 26). A political cartoonist’s intent is understandable, but if, as you found out, “….that editorial cartoons do not need to be factually accurate…” then to what conclusions should Tribune readers arrive when viewing them? How would Mr. Bagley answer (based on facts) the following question? Th... 58233114@www.sltrib.com Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:32:02 MDT Letter: Get serious about common crime, SLC http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58232961-82/police-serious-anything-common.html.csp We live downtown, and we went for a walk late this afternoon. On the way we passed some poor visitors who had left their rented vehicle parked on Main Street just north of Temple Square. They had a window smashed and purse stolen. This has been going on constantly for the last few months, in broad daylight, and at lots of other places such as meetinghouses. The police aren’t doing anything serious about it. When we came back the other direction a half hour later, the visitors were still wai... We live downtown, and we went for a walk late this afternoon. On the way we passed some poor visitors who had left their rented vehicle parked on Main Street just north of Temple Square. They had a window smashed and purse stolen. This has been going on constantly for the last few months, in broad daylight, and at lots of other places such as meetinghouses. The police aren’t doing anything serious about it. When we came back the other direction a half hour later, the visitors were still wai... 58232961@www.sltrib.com Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:32:01 MDT Letter: Are fighter jets really ‘angels’? http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58224680-82/angels-blue-flight-gets.html.csp Re (“Utahn gets his first flight with the Blue Angels,” July 25): It will be a sign of important progress when we refuse to hypocritically name our killing machines “angels,” no matter what color. Don L. Miller St. George Re (“Utahn gets his first flight with the Blue Angels,” July 25): It will be a sign of important progress when we refuse to hypocritically name our killing machines “angels,” no matter what color. Don L. Miller St. George 58224680@www.sltrib.com Fri, 25 Jul 2014 17:31:01 MDT