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Payne Salt Lake City We need to mandate, as a state, that all police officers be required to wear a camera of some sort so that these questions of their response to situations they deem a threat that result in the death of a person can be answered with the truth. There has to be some way to establish accountability when a person is shot to death rather than just the word of the people involved. David G. Payne Salt Lake City <img src="http://mngislctrib.112.2O7.net/b/ss/mngislctrib/1/H.17--NS/0?&pageName=RSS" height="1" width="1" border="0" alt=""/> 58420354@www.sltrib.com Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:55:02 MDT Letter: What’s with the UHP cops on Highway 201? http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58420373-82/highway-201-cops-uhp.html.csp Some of us are wondering how long the two UHP cops are gonna sit on Highway 201 between I-80 and Highway 102 with their lights on at taxpayers’ expense. It’s been going on for weeks. You can roll past them doing 70 plus, and they won’t do anything. So what’s the use, when they won’t even bring in any revenue. Just wondering. Lynn Mott West Valley City Some of us are wondering how long the two UHP cops are gonna sit on Highway 201 between I-80 and Highway 102 with their lights on at taxpayers’ expense. It’s been going on for weeks. You can roll past them doing 70 plus, and they won’t do anything. So what’s the use, when they won’t even bring in any revenue. Just wondering. Lynn Mott West Valley City 58420373@www.sltrib.com Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:55:02 MDT Letter: How can campers leave so much trash? http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58420428-82/bottles-trash-campers-plastic.html.csp Sunday, I took a drive out to the mountains west of Utah Lake. With fall coming, I wanted to hike, see the flowering sagebrush and sunflowers and take in the beauty of nature. As I was hiking, I came to three camping grounds. They were littered with broken bottles, whole bottles, beer cans, liquor bottles, trash and plastic water bottles, plus garbage. I was in one campground where the people had set up a little shooting target. I looked at it a little closer, and there were tiny plastic dolls w... Sunday, I took a drive out to the mountains west of Utah Lake. With fall coming, I wanted to hike, see the flowering sagebrush and sunflowers and take in the beauty of nature. As I was hiking, I came to three camping grounds. They were littered with broken bottles, whole bottles, beer cans, liquor bottles, trash and plastic water bottles, plus garbage. I was in one campground where the people had set up a little shooting target. I looked at it a little closer, and there were tiny plastic dolls w... 58420428@www.sltrib.com Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:55:02 MDT Letter: Tea partiers are nauseating me http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58420447-82/tea-state-partiers-admire.html.csp Utah is a Pretty Great State for angry white male tea partiers and policemen who admire the SS. A white guy can open carry his AK-47 in JC Penney, but a black teenager with a replica sword is swarmed by police and gunned down. I guess that is normal for a state where Romneycare = Good but Obamacare = Bad. A state where the San Juan County commissioner leads illegal ATV rides across closed BLM land and our Sen. Lee celebrates Cliven Bundy’s armed rebellion because he doesn’t want to pay his gra... Utah is a Pretty Great State for angry white male tea partiers and policemen who admire the SS. A white guy can open carry his AK-47 in JC Penney, but a black teenager with a replica sword is swarmed by police and gunned down. I guess that is normal for a state where Romneycare = Good but Obamacare = Bad. A state where the San Juan County commissioner leads illegal ATV rides across closed BLM land and our Sen. Lee celebrates Cliven Bundy’s armed rebellion because he doesn’t want to pay his gra... 58420447@www.sltrib.com Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:55:02 MDT Letter: Accidental DNews explains a lot http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58420588-82/conservative-obama-congressmen-debate.html.csp On Sunday morning, we received our Tribune but had the Opinion section from the Deseret News. After my initial frustration, I better understand the narrow, conservative thinking of my adopted state. Here is my tally of the content: Two national conservative columnists on the Scotland vote and Obama’s wrong strategy for ISIS, a DNews editorial defending faith-based student groups on college campuses, a column on the perils of credit card use, a citizen commenting on Ogden’s positive growth in the... On Sunday morning, we received our Tribune but had the Opinion section from the Deseret News. After my initial frustration, I better understand the narrow, conservative thinking of my adopted state. Here is my tally of the content: Two national conservative columnists on the Scotland vote and Obama’s wrong strategy for ISIS, a DNews editorial defending faith-based student groups on college campuses, a column on the perils of credit card use, a citizen commenting on Ogden’s positive growth in the... 58420588@www.sltrib.com Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:55:02 MDT Letter: Don’t expand resorts’ footprint with One Wasatch http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58420634-82/ski-wasatch-backcountry-resorts.html.csp After attending the University of Utah, I became addicted to the incredible lifestyle you can create here in the Central Wasatch Mountains. There is no other place in the world that has an excellent economic growth engine with such easy access to the great outdoors. Over the last 40 years I have watched as ski resorts and associated development expanded their boundaries and took away pristine backcountry terrain. My various crews of ski buddies have certainly enjoyed the access to new terrain... After attending the University of Utah, I became addicted to the incredible lifestyle you can create here in the Central Wasatch Mountains. There is no other place in the world that has an excellent economic growth engine with such easy access to the great outdoors. Over the last 40 years I have watched as ski resorts and associated development expanded their boundaries and took away pristine backcountry terrain. My various crews of ski buddies have certainly enjoyed the access to new terrain... 58420634@www.sltrib.com Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:55:02 MDT Letter: Senate is Congress’ chokepoint http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58420665-82/senate-bills-nothing-congress.html.csp Earl Rucker (“Do-nothing Congress still gets elected,” Sept. 10) is right. However, a finger pointed in the right direction is helpful when fully armed with plenty of information. The House has passed a bevy of bills that are sitting on Harry Reid’s desk in the Senate. In all, 356 bills made it through the House and are languishing in the Senate. And 98 percent of those bills were passed with bipartisan support. Two hundred of those bills were passed in the House with unanimous support from th... Earl Rucker (“Do-nothing Congress still gets elected,” Sept. 10) is right. However, a finger pointed in the right direction is helpful when fully armed with plenty of information. The House has passed a bevy of bills that are sitting on Harry Reid’s desk in the Senate. In all, 356 bills made it through the House and are languishing in the Senate. And 98 percent of those bills were passed with bipartisan support. Two hundred of those bills were passed in the House with unanimous support from th... 58420665@www.sltrib.com Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:55:02 MDT Letter: Bus driver has seen it all from bikers http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58416415-82/bus-bikers-road-bike.html.csp Bicyclists should be as considerate as they want drivers to be to them. I drive a bus. We were told not to block the bikers’ lanes and give them at least three feet of clearance when passing. You know, a bus is pretty big. We do have to park, and we are limited where we can do that. It mostly has to be by the curb for pit stops or pausing to keep on schedule. Bikers need to realize and be aware. Because of traffic we often have nowhere to go to pull away from them. But here is the rub: they ha... Bicyclists should be as considerate as they want drivers to be to them. I drive a bus. We were told not to block the bikers’ lanes and give them at least three feet of clearance when passing. You know, a bus is pretty big. We do have to park, and we are limited where we can do that. It mostly has to be by the curb for pit stops or pausing to keep on schedule. Bikers need to realize and be aware. Because of traffic we often have nowhere to go to pull away from them. But here is the rub: they ha... 58416415@www.sltrib.com Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:36:02 MDT Letter: UTOPIA, Comcast are different animals http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58416447-82/utopia-service-choice-comcast.html.csp Christopher Eaton’s letter (“UTOPIA offers choice beyond giant telecom,” Sept. 7) states that an apples to apples comparison is UTOPIA to Comcast. That is not correct. Comcast is a service provider. UTOPIA is a cable company (fiber-optics) that is a conduit for a limited number of service providers. To use UTOPIA, a user must purchase service from one of the listed providers available through UTOPIA. They must pay the $20 monthly utility fee for a non-utility or an unapproved city tax, then purc... Christopher Eaton’s letter (“UTOPIA offers choice beyond giant telecom,” Sept. 7) states that an apples to apples comparison is UTOPIA to Comcast. That is not correct. Comcast is a service provider. UTOPIA is a cable company (fiber-optics) that is a conduit for a limited number of service providers. To use UTOPIA, a user must purchase service from one of the listed providers available through UTOPIA. They must pay the $20 monthly utility fee for a non-utility or an unapproved city tax, then purc... 58416447@www.sltrib.com Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:36:02 MDT Letter: We experience God, even if you don’t http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58416476-82/god-religion-stenger-absurdities.html.csp Confined in a self-imposed prison of infantile understanding, Professor Gregory Clark’s chosen “religion” (“Atheist Stenger recognized religion’s absurdities,” Sept. 14) dooms his hypothesis; because he can’t reproduce God in a laboratory merely proves he hasn’t properly conducted the experiment. There are so many of us who have personally experienced God! How sad that a man thus “educated” could be so profoundly ignorant. Paul Sharp Salt Lake City Confined in a self-imposed prison of infantile understanding, Professor Gregory Clark’s chosen “religion” (“Atheist Stenger recognized religion’s absurdities,” Sept. 14) dooms his hypothesis; because he can’t reproduce God in a laboratory merely proves he hasn’t properly conducted the experiment. There are so many of us who have personally experienced God! How sad that a man thus “educated” could be so profoundly ignorant. Paul Sharp Salt Lake City 58416476@www.sltrib.com Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:36:02 MDT Letter: Science and spirituality can and do co-exist http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58416491-82/arts-sltrib-humanities-liberal.html.csp I am an ordained minister, and yet I fully concur with the views expressed by Dr. Gregory A. Clark (“Atheist Stenger recognized religion’s absurdities,” Sept. 14) that supernatural and superstitious ideas have no place in the world of scientific research. I also heartily support the views in another Sunday op-ed piece, (“Humanities grads hold their own in job market”) by Dr. Madonna Milner, that a liberal arts education provides a more successful career than does a professional degree. Liberal a... I am an ordained minister, and yet I fully concur with the views expressed by Dr. Gregory A. Clark (“Atheist Stenger recognized religion’s absurdities,” Sept. 14) that supernatural and superstitious ideas have no place in the world of scientific research. I also heartily support the views in another Sunday op-ed piece, (“Humanities grads hold their own in job market”) by Dr. Madonna Milner, that a liberal arts education provides a more successful career than does a professional degree. Liberal a... 58416491@www.sltrib.com Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:36:02 MDT Letter: Utah’s class sizes do indeed matter http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58416516-82/class-classroom-instruction-size.html.csp As one of the teachers who responded to Lisa Schencker’s inquiry about class size, I was interested to read her article published Sept. 14. I was not surprised at the anecdotes from teachers and parents about the negative effects of large class sizes, ranging from the physical limitations of having enough space, to the difficulties of grading writing assignments and providing individual support. I was surprised by the statement of Judi Clarke, director of Parents for Choice in Education: “Class ... As one of the teachers who responded to Lisa Schencker’s inquiry about class size, I was interested to read her article published Sept. 14. I was not surprised at the anecdotes from teachers and parents about the negative effects of large class sizes, ranging from the physical limitations of having enough space, to the difficulties of grading writing assignments and providing individual support. I was surprised by the statement of Judi Clarke, director of Parents for Choice in Education: “Class ... 58416516@www.sltrib.com Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:36:02 MDT Letter: Thanks, Ute Tribe, for letting us be Utes, too http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58416581-82/ute-tribe-utes-letting.html.csp Dear Ute Tribe: Thank you for letting us be Utes. We are grateful that you have allowed us to use your name, and we respect and honor it. Any mistakes we make in that regard are because of ignorance, so we appreciate that you are taking the time to educate us with your new video. We support the University of Utah in its efforts to provide your children with education and all of you with healthier lives. GO UTES! P.S.: When will shirts be available in women’s and children’s sizes and styles? We a... Dear Ute Tribe: Thank you for letting us be Utes. We are grateful that you have allowed us to use your name, and we respect and honor it. Any mistakes we make in that regard are because of ignorance, so we appreciate that you are taking the time to educate us with your new video. We support the University of Utah in its efforts to provide your children with education and all of you with healthier lives. GO UTES! P.S.: When will shirts be available in women’s and children’s sizes and styles? We a... 58416581@www.sltrib.com Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:36:02 MDT Letter: Pipe Great Lakes water to western U.S. http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58416594-82/lakes-project-keystone-pipe.html.csp As a better alternative to the Keystone project and its claimed benefits to the economy, these gung-ho Republicans should pass legislation to build a water transfer pipe from the Great Lakes to the upper Colorado river drainage area. This project would be cleaner, would be bigger, and would be better than the Keystone project. Marco Hodgson Bountiful As a better alternative to the Keystone project and its claimed benefits to the economy, these gung-ho Republicans should pass legislation to build a water transfer pipe from the Great Lakes to the upper Colorado river drainage area. This project would be cleaner, would be bigger, and would be better than the Keystone project. Marco Hodgson Bountiful 58416594@www.sltrib.com Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:36:02 MDT Letter: Teacher should keep her bullet in her pocket http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58407381-82/bullet-teacher-carry-concealed.html.csp A sixth-grade school teacher at Westbrook Elementary accidently discharged her concealed weapon in a faculty restroom. The bullet exploded a toilet, injuring her leg. I am sure relieved to learn she has a concealed carry permit and is available to protect herself and the students in the event of a school tragedy. This accident reminds me of times Andy Griffith gave Barney the OK to load his pistol while bad guys were in the town of Mayberry. For the safety of the students and facility, maybe t... A sixth-grade school teacher at Westbrook Elementary accidently discharged her concealed weapon in a faculty restroom. The bullet exploded a toilet, injuring her leg. I am sure relieved to learn she has a concealed carry permit and is available to protect herself and the students in the event of a school tragedy. This accident reminds me of times Andy Griffith gave Barney the OK to load his pistol while bad guys were in the town of Mayberry. For the safety of the students and facility, maybe t... 58407381@www.sltrib.com Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:38:02 MDT Letter: Cartoon was over the limit http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58407439-82/cartoon-bagley-limits-cartoons.html.csp There should be some limits to the subject matter of political cartoons. Friday’s Pat Bagley cartoon, showing a small child shot, and presumably killed, by a gun falling out of the teacher’s purse is beyond the limits of sensitivity and kindness. Many have lived through the horrible reality of a child they love being killed at school. The depiction of the other terrified children is equally insensitive. Surely there is a better way to make the point that more people seemed upset by the lunch ro... There should be some limits to the subject matter of political cartoons. Friday’s Pat Bagley cartoon, showing a small child shot, and presumably killed, by a gun falling out of the teacher’s purse is beyond the limits of sensitivity and kindness. Many have lived through the horrible reality of a child they love being killed at school. The depiction of the other terrified children is equally insensitive. Surely there is a better way to make the point that more people seemed upset by the lunch ro... 58407439@www.sltrib.com Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:38:02 MDT Letter: Responsible gun owners? Ha! http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58407470-82/teacher-carry-accidentally-concealed.html.csp I have no sympathy for the teacher who accidentally shot herself at Westbrook Elementary School in Taylorsville on Sept. 11. Fortunately, she did not injure or kill an innocent bystander, particularly one of the students. Hopefully she has learned a painfully hard lesson. Should not we all take great solace and have peace of mind that she is a legal concealed carry permit holder in Utah and thus had to have taken the necessary training? Based on this event, we Utahns should be confident that the... I have no sympathy for the teacher who accidentally shot herself at Westbrook Elementary School in Taylorsville on Sept. 11. Fortunately, she did not injure or kill an innocent bystander, particularly one of the students. Hopefully she has learned a painfully hard lesson. Should not we all take great solace and have peace of mind that she is a legal concealed carry permit holder in Utah and thus had to have taken the necessary training? Based on this event, we Utahns should be confident that the... 58407470@www.sltrib.com Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:38:02 MDT Letter: When will our gun luck run out? http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58407774-82/luck-carry-fire-gun.html.csp How fortunate that the Taylorsville teacher who shot herself was not more seriously injured and that no one else was in the line of fire. How long can we continue to have such luck with the premise that arming teachers is the answer to school shootings? The only weapons allowed in schools should be those carried by trained law-enforcement officers. By not even requiring live-fire experience, Utah conceal-carry permits are issued with far too little training. Dee Rowland Salt Lake City How fortunate that the Taylorsville teacher who shot herself was not more seriously injured and that no one else was in the line of fire. How long can we continue to have such luck with the premise that arming teachers is the answer to school shootings? The only weapons allowed in schools should be those carried by trained law-enforcement officers. By not even requiring live-fire experience, Utah conceal-carry permits are issued with far too little training. Dee Rowland Salt Lake City 58407774@www.sltrib.com Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:38:02 MDT Letter: Educate yourself and don’t vote straight party http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58407788-82/vote-party-citizens-election.html.csp As we approach voting time, I hope more Utah citizens are planning on participating in the election process than in previous off-year elections. I am tired of listening to the complaints about our government and specifically about our elected representatives when so few qualified citizens take the time to participate in the election process, and when so many of that few just blindly mark their ballots according to a party label. In a state such as Utah, where one party so dominates, those who ar... As we approach voting time, I hope more Utah citizens are planning on participating in the election process than in previous off-year elections. I am tired of listening to the complaints about our government and specifically about our elected representatives when so few qualified citizens take the time to participate in the election process, and when so many of that few just blindly mark their ballots according to a party label. In a state such as Utah, where one party so dominates, those who ar... 58407788@www.sltrib.com Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:38:02 MDT Letter: Feds not doing the job of Mexican wolf recovery http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/58407816-82/mexican-wolf-wolves-recovery.html.csp Thank you, Salt Lake Tribune, for your article, (“Should Mexican Wolves roam Utah?” Sept. 10). The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is a sham. This agency has done little for America’s wolf recovery. Instead of protecting and encouraging acceptance of America’s wolves, they sit idle while wolves are slaughtered. Recently they’ve proposed the delisting of America’s gray wolves. (Mexican grays are excluded, for now.) FWS permits the extermination of wolves based on speculation. Relocating a wolf bec... Thank you, Salt Lake Tribune, for your article, (“Should Mexican Wolves roam Utah?” Sept. 10). The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is a sham. This agency has done little for America’s wolf recovery. Instead of protecting and encouraging acceptance of America’s wolves, they sit idle while wolves are slaughtered. Recently they’ve proposed the delisting of America’s gray wolves. (Mexican grays are excluded, for now.) FWS permits the extermination of wolves based on speculation. Relocating a wolf bec... 58407816@www.sltrib.com Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:38:02 MDT